[{"id": 1725993, "authorName": "shakingthrough", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shakingthrough/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"The car was put into storage after a number of speed-related issues with local law enforcement..\" That is hilarious and sad all in one. Seller we would love to hear some of the stories. Will be closely watching this one, GLWTA.", "likes": 29, "timestamp": 1504706657, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1725996, "authorName": "Potomacduck", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/potomacduck/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Its hard to imagine that cars like this were just old sports cars without much value. I remember passing on a Lambo GT400 for just a few thousand dollars.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1504706722, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726017, "authorName": "huslo", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/huslo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It was kept like the memory of an old girlfriend: Broke it off after an impetuous affair. Looked her up on occasion, dreaming of another spin around the block that never happened. 30 years later, she's too tired and forlorn-looking for nostalgia, it's time to finally move on.", "likes": 40, "timestamp": 1504707493, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726020, "authorName": "BluMalago", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/blumalago/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I can't wait to hear from the seller, not everyday a Ferrari comes for sale with over four decades with the same owner.\n\nAlso, thank God he held onto this for so long. 15 years ago this would have been a parts car. Now it will probably be restored.", "likes": 26, "timestamp": 1504707565, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726026, "authorName": "Lord_Balfour_IV", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lord_balfour_iv/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "how could anyone allow a Ferrari to deteriorate to this degree?", "likes": 16, "timestamp": 1504707647, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726027, "authorName": "jas280z", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jas280z/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This will be fun to watch. Bring a trailer indeed. \n\nThis car will be a labor of love for whomever ends up restoring it. The apparently numbers matching engine will help, but it appears to need pretty much one of everything. Still though, almost any 60's Ferrari is worth saving.\n\nWill have to be purchased for the right price though. Hagerty places the value of a #2 at $275K. I could easily see $150-200K in restoration at a top Ferrari shop, probably more once all is said and done, and several years.\n\nBut, once that is all done, it will be a crown jewel of someone's collection, and likely only appreciate if well cared for.\n\n\n\nOr... LeMons car anyone??", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504707689, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726032, "authorName": "jim_rosenthal", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jim_rosenthal/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Can't believe Beverly Hills and Gullwing haven't gotten their hands on this car. Maybe they are sleeping in.what with the impending storm and all...", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504707815, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726052, "authorName": "dps", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dps/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I've done a complete restoration on a vintage Ferrari and it is a daunting task. As in any restoration, way more time and money than you expect. Once you start there is no turning back. Everything needs to be touched otherwise your eyes go to the sore thumb that you didn't restore. I said I would never do it again. But this car is calling me. I'm trying to avert my eyes but this car is a siren. A labor of love. The market has softened on these cars but not the restoration costs. We do this for our passion though.", "likes": 34, "timestamp": 1504708434, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726054, "authorName": "West-Coaster", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/west-coaster/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To answer a question that may or may not be asked, that license plate appears to be one issued to HAM radio operators. I think it has to stay with the owner.\n\nAnd how fun would it be to get this car running, throw on seat covers from Pep Boys, a set of tires, and just drive it around as a beater? \n\nGLWTS", "likes": 18, "timestamp": 1504708563, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726068, "authorName": "72911", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/72911/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I have not been this intimidated since my girlfriend last checked my internet history.", "likes": 42, "timestamp": 1504708792, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726071, "authorName": "Parkanzky", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/parkanzky/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Thirty years of registration and insurance and not a single trip around the block. I guess hope springs eternal.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1504708895, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726072, "authorName": "AlfaZagato", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/alfazagato/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I think getting this running would entail restoration. Thirty-year-old high-test is not friendly to anything.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504708917, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726074, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm sure Tom Shaughnessy is watching this one. It will be interesting to see what happens. I'm a little bit surprised at the extent of the rust-- usually, 365GTs don't have major rust issues. 365GTs are still not that valuable (I think $275k is optimistic for a #1 car, let alone a #2), so this car may still end up as parts. Let's hope not.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504708971, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726077, "authorName": "PoweredbyFord", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/poweredbyford/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"...the seller emphasizes that a serious commitment of time and effort will be required to put it back on the road.\"\n\nOh, yeah - and then there's that 'money' thing...", "likes": 26, "timestamp": 1504709071, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726088, "authorName": "Latest_Trend", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/latest_trend/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Before you start that Columbo engine, \"just one more thing, maam\"...", "likes": 20, "timestamp": 1504709374, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726099, "authorName": "amykay91", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/amykay91/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "What's a good kidney go for these days?", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504709665, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726105, "authorName": "fka_ray", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fka_ray/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "......where's that $36,522 opening bid?......pretty sure your money would be safe at that figure....", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504709862, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726111, "authorName": "AlfaHolic", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/alfaholic/", "bidAmount": 365, "content": "$365 bid placed by AlfaHolic", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504709973, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1726113, "authorName": "AlfaHolic", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/alfaholic/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@fka ray\n\nNot taking any chances", "likes": 23, "timestamp": 1504709999, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726102, "authorName": "mwillinger", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mwillinger/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Didn't we vote down the \u201cQueen Mother\u201d sobriquet?\n\nAnd I'm tempted to throw in the initial bid just for the gardening glove on the side mirror pedestal. \nOops, @AlfaHolic beat me to it.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504710046, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726120, "authorName": "Niteroi", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/niteroi/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hard to believe it's been stored in a garage by looking at the paint condition and rust.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1504710165, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726129, "authorName": "vintageair", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vintageair/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "My old Ferrari did 185\nI lost my license, now I can't drive", "likes": 20, "timestamp": 1504710615, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726141, "authorName": "pelzo", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/pelzo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Judging by the tire wear on those rear tires, I can understand \"speed related issues with local law enforcement'. Was this car owned by the Justin Bieber of the 70's?", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504711024, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726149, "authorName": "oldenuf2nobettah", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/oldenuf2nobettah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Kinda strange how through all that tarnish the gloss on the steering wheel and the prancing horse emblem still shine. A light at the end of the tunnel? An oncoming train?", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504711154, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726146, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"Didn\u2019t we vote down the \u201cQueen Mother\u201d sobriquet?\"\n\nIt may be sillier now than at the time, but that's the nickname it acquired; it's \"Queen Mary\" that's sometimes used incorrectly. \n\nAnd the nickname is appropriate here, as it'll take a royal treasury to restore this needs-absolutely-everything example. In solid #2 condition it may be worth $275k+ (particularly a year from now, which is the earliest you're likely to get it back on the road). But it's likely to take about that much to get it there.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1504711234, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726161, "authorName": "Poppyboy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/poppyboy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Carfax shows an accident in 1974, so it's worthless. Just joking for you serious types.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504711550, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726166, "authorName": "Super7Driver", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/super7driver/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I've always really liked the big Ferrari GTs of this era, but man this is going to need a lot of work. For all the people who, for incomprehensible reasons, treasure \"barn finds\", here's your ride.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504711577, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726168, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@oldenuf2nobettah : oncoming train. The horn center and steering wheel spokes may be the only things here that don't need serious attention. As far as the \"gloss\" is concerned, the wood needs to be refinished.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504711611, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726172, "authorName": "austinporschebill", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/austinporschebill/", "bidAmount": 500, "content": "$500 bid placed by austinporschebill", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504711720, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1726175, "authorName": "austinporschebill", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/austinporschebill/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Though I am more a Fiat guy, I just had to be able to say I once bid on a Ferrari :-)", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504711776, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726177, "authorName": "JiminRichmond", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jiminrichmond/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"Honey, I'm running over to J.C. Penney to pick up a new battery for the Ferrari. Be back in a few minutes.\"", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1504711825, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726181, "authorName": "austinporschebill", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/austinporschebill/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "More like, honey, is it OK if I take out a 2nd mortgage on the house to buy a battery for the Ferrari . . .", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504711936, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726202, "authorName": "benzwagon", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/benzwagon/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "What's the consensus guess on the cost of a round trip back to the Maranello factory for a complete rebuild? I say all in at $300,000. For a NEW \"Queen Mother\"...\nAnyone know a hedge fund manager who'd roll the dice with me?", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504712558, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726210, "authorName": "Blacktan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/blacktan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Let this be a lesson to all of us...drive your treasure be it a Ferrari or a Chevy.", "likes": 24, "timestamp": 1504712922, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726218, "authorName": "97NSXT", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/97nsxt/", "bidAmount": 600, "content": "$600 bid placed by 97NSXT", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504713251, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1726217, "authorName": "joebazots", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebazots/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"The car was put into storage after a number of speed-related issues with local law enforcement and has remained there for over 30 years since.\" Possibly the best and most honest line I've ever read in a BAT write-up (though I would never insinuate any DIS-honesty).\n\nGLWTA!", "likes": 16, "timestamp": 1504713264, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726225, "authorName": "Rockyview", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rockyview/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I've never kept a car longer than 5 years let alone 45 years. There must be some major sentimental value attached to this one to warrant keeping it 30 years past when it was parked.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504713436, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726221, "authorName": "97NSXT", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/97nsxt/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If for no other reason than to say \"I bought a Ferrari. It needs some work but I can do that over time. Want to see it? It's in the garage.\"", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504713483, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726231, "authorName": "Jon442", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jon442/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "30 years of daily speeding tickets would have been cheaper.", "likes": 20, "timestamp": 1504713964, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726253, "authorName": "lamachina", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lamachina/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Restoration costs will exceed the $275k figure people are throwing around (engine rebuild alone is $50 - $60k). If you want a Queen Mum because you want a Queen Mum, then this might be a good restoration candidate because it seems complete and has good provenance. In all cases, however, you will be seriously under water until the next market bubble. It's too bad, really. These are SO NICE when they're in good shape.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504714167, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726260, "authorName": "TMH42", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tmh42/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Get it running, wash the exterior, vacuum the cabin, and revel in the cross-eyed looks you'll get cruising down the street. For extra fun, drive it to Monterey Car Week in 2018 and take it to Concorso Italiano.\n\nSo much fun to be had!", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1504714370, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726267, "authorName": "2112", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2112/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I love most 60's F-cars. Not this one. \n\nI would rebody it as a 365 GTC. Far more beautiful and desirable.\n\nFlame away, I have my flame retardant suit on.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504714573, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726274, "authorName": "5bythbay", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/5bythbay/", "bidAmount": 5000, "content": "$5,000 bid placed by 5bythbay", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504714902, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1726280, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@2112 : even as expensive as they currently are, it would be more cost-effective to buy a 365 GTC than to create a replica from this. \"Desirable\" describes genuine GTCs -- not converted ones.\n\n@TMH42 : \"Get it running, wash the exterior, vacuum the cabin, and revel in the cross-eyed looks you\u2019ll get cruising down the street. \"\n\nGood luck with the cost of the \"get it running\" part...", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504715249, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726289, "authorName": "Frank_Garcia", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/frank_garcia/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "New BaT mantra...\nThere is no cheap Ferrari project\nThere is no cheap Ferrari project\nThere is no cheap Ferrari project \nGLWTA", "likes": 14, "timestamp": 1504715301, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726296, "authorName": "Guzi66", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/guzi66/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "One more vote to quit with the worn out \"Queen Mother\".", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1504715582, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726306, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "A Ferrari thread that's not serious? I'm in.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504715844, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726312, "authorName": "Utah_Colorado_Jones", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/utah_colorado_jones/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@vintageair - how apropos! Joe Walsh is a ham radio operator.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504716046, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726317, "authorName": "lamachina", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lamachina/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@2112 - Converting this to a 365 GTC would be nearly impossible as they have completely different chassis, wheelbase, suspension, engine/transmission layout, etc. The GTC body simply won't fit on the 2+2's chassis. The only thing that's the same is the engine. A good 365 GTC is pretty close to $1M, a fake one decidedly less. There's nothing wrong with a 365 GT 2+2 but this one has a long way to go.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504716213, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726328, "authorName": "RhodyM20", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rhodym20/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "What's the process with Euro-spec cars that were never modified and are now well past the 25 year rule? Are they exempt if they were never subjected to the safety and emissions modifications when imported?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504716674, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726329, "authorName": "MarkS", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/marks/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To the naysayers, this is a v-12 Ferrari from the Enzo era. There aren't going to be any more of those. Remember 10-12 years ago when, per 'Sports Car Market', a 250GTE was not worth restoring because it was a $40k car, tops. Now? \nSomeone with time and money will get a great car and a return on their investment. As long as they don't park it in the back yard got another 30 years...", "likes": 15, "timestamp": 1504716809, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726336, "authorName": "watchcarefully", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/watchcarefully/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Thankfully, among all the 'get it running and drive it' posts, there hasn't been a small-block Chevy comment. Oh crap, I just made it!", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504716934, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726361, "authorName": "Mr._Hankypants", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mr._hankypants/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Did I ever tell you about the time I had one of these with an AUTOMATIC...?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504717595, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726365, "authorName": "Type44", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/type44/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "MarkS gets it. It's a complete Enzo V12 with CA history. It's gonna get restored. No amount of musing about how it doesn't pencil out will change that... As for the huge sums for a rebuilt engine, what about pre-oiling it, cleaning out the Webers, and seeing what happens? Not every single project needs to start with a blank-check tear down and complete redo...", "likes": 38, "timestamp": 1504717807, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726370, "authorName": "Raffi", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/raffi/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The only way to do this car is to do it all by yourself, slowly, perhaps over a decade, in your garage, with lots of beer. Assuming you were capable of most mechanical repairs, the brakes, electrical, and R&R are not rocket science. You go slowly, take lots of pictures, drink more beer, and move along. \n\nThe big nut will be rebuilding the engine. So you'd likely have to swing $75-80k at that alone, and more for the transmission at a capable outside shop. \n\nBut if you do it slowly, did I mention beer? And work with the idea that you will likely not drive it for another decade. It becomes a passion project. No ROI of significance other than the personal satisfaction of doing it one piece at a time. But hey, that's worth something.", "likes": 24, "timestamp": 1504717977, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726383, "authorName": "maximal", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/maximal/", "bidAmount": 10000, "content": "$10,000 bid placed by maximal", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504718273, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1726386, "authorName": "maximal", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/maximal/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I just looked in my closet. My old leather jacket is still there, I will still find an empty whiskey bottle for the passenger seat. Hair as punk, then on the street. Forget the restoration. I want to hear my neighbor: \"I've always known it\". Anyone who starts the engine again? I can weld myself.\n\nI love my new BAD mobile. History of the car fits.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504718307, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726398, "authorName": "SM_Minis", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sm_minis/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I've had a car for 30 years that I haven't driven for at least 12 years. It occasionally gets moved to a different spot in the yard but that's as far it will go until some major work is completed. I keep it licensed and insured so that the city can't cite me for exceeding the limit of one non-op car in the yard. Plus the fantasy that one day I'll get to it. Maybe the seller was running one of those game plans and kept it licensed. Or is there some Ham Operator badge of honor for keeping the plate current?\n\nBut whatever the back story on the Ferrari's license, my story and this one diverge severely because my car will never be worth more than scrap value. \n\nEdit: I just reminded myself of the other reason I keep my car licensed. I got collectors plates when Colorado had a 25 year rule for them. As long as it's on collectors plates I don't have to get emissions test, a real PITA with this car. The state changed the rules for collectors plates and this one is no longer eligible for them. But as long as I continue to renew the current plates I'm grandfathered in. And you thought California was complicated. But it's still only worth scrap value.", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1504718708, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726405, "authorName": "nickwho", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nickwho/", "bidAmount": 18000, "content": "$18,000 bid placed by nickwho", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504718800, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1726417, "authorName": "Bryan_A", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bryan_a/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "What, no Fram oil filter comments?", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504719372, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726447, "authorName": "rocketmaan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rocketmaan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I now understand why folks cover their license plates for pics. I wouldn't want my address and home pics bandied about the internet, flame me if you will but there is an ethical issue here somewhere. Just saying. \n\nBaT: Perhaps that link should be removed.", "likes": 13, "timestamp": 1504720247, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726457, "authorName": "CLEAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/cleah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@West-Coaster, yep, K2GMY is a currently active Extra Class operator. He should keep his plate!", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1504720370, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726461, "authorName": "rocketmaan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rocketmaan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Seller: if your lovely Nardi wheel goes missing you have a short list for the cops to visit now. sigh", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504720504, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726469, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If the engine was actually running when this was parked (which is questionable, in my opinion), then a rebuild could easily be accomplished for less than $50k. Maybe not by a \"name\" rebuilder, but there are plenty of guys with experience who could do it for a lot less. If the engine had serious issues when parked, that might be a different story.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504720648, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726472, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I wonder what the switch on the dash below the normal row of switches does?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504720774, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726475, "authorName": "oldukguy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/oldukguy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I regard a '69 Ferrari as a Work of Art. As such, I simply do not understand How.Why anyone would allow such a classic to rot in some hole in the ground. Any answers out there ???", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504720848, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726521, "authorName": "watchcarefully", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/watchcarefully/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@oldukguy - Any number of scenarios come to mind. Including falling on times just hard enough to make finances tight around the house, but not so tight that all unnecessary items must be liquidated. Despite having the hope, determination and expectation that things will get better and the money to fulfill the potential of this car is just around the corner, it didn't turn out that way. Luckily, it wasn't left outdoors in Minnesota or some less forgiving climate. \nRegardless of the reality here, I empathize with this seller and imagine the decision to part with it was difficult.", "likes": 13, "timestamp": 1504722445, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726542, "authorName": "watchcarefully", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/watchcarefully/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@rocketman - Spot on. We witnessed a case of invasion of privacy today that makes me more than a little concerned. Knowing how to obtain those details is one thing, actually following through is another...publishing the results on the web rather shocked me. Do unto others, I guess...\n\n@Raffi - how much should one budget for the 10-year supply of beer?", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1504722953, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726552, "authorName": "vintageair", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vintageair/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Bryan A - pretty sure those are correct Baldwin filters\n\n@Loftyireland - not cool posting satellite photos of seller's back yard. What's the purpose of that?", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504723240, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726570, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@oldlukguy, consider the timing. If this car was set aside 30 years ago, that was mid-1980s. Ferrari prices were on their way up, and the owner may have thought he would wait and sell at the top. Then, in 1990, the bubble burst, and prices went way back down. Oh well, maybe someday they'll climb back up again, and here we are... a little past the peak though, and headed more down than up IMO.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504723725, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726571, "authorName": "Raffi", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/raffi/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@watchcarefully I never reveal the \"actual\" costs of my restoration projects. I attribute my 26 year marriage to this detail. But since I cannot deduct the cost of beer as a legitimate \"solvent\" for restoration work (despite the fact that I firmly believe it DOES help loosen bolts and I copiously argued such with my accountant), I generally recommend four cases per year. \n\nLittle tip for backyard restoration folks. Put the beer in the garage and hide the opener in different parts of the car while under restoration. It's a motivational technique.", "likes": 24, "timestamp": 1504723804, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726581, "authorName": "rocketmaan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rocketmaan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "BaT: I am sure the seller thanks you for removing @Loftyirelands inappropriate posting, keeping the damage done to only 20 to 30 felons who now know his address and what sits there unguarded. I hope all ends well here and I would love to hear sometime how this car has faired. My best to all. \n\nLesson learned for everyone, DON'T post pics showing your license plate numbers. There are snoops everywhere on the internet.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504724148, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726727, "authorName": "Crazyas00", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crazyas00/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "An old sort of loved, Ferrari. Perhaps it could just be freshened up and driven. Not yet painted. Clean it, and enjoy pissing off the Gold Chain set. One could hope!\n\nI agree on the issue of way too much information. Poor Seller now has to watch his back until the car goes. While it is the age of information, Common sense SHOULD rule the day.\n\n@Raffi : I would need a LOT more beer than that!\n\nI am surprised Carini didn't \"Find\" this one.\n\nAnd last thought, it has A/C! There, I'm done!", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504725449, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726743, "authorName": "bimmergas", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bimmergas/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If there was ever a poster car for BaT, this is it! GLWTA!", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1504725500, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726812, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I have to dissent a bit here. I'm not a fan of posting people's private info, but the seller did post the picture of his license plate. Internet sleuthing isn't all that hard, and get real, no one is going to steal this car. It's not a multi-million dollar GTO or something, or even a garden-variety Daytona.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504725927, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1726828, "authorName": "928sts", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/928sts/", "bidAmount": 25365, "content": "$25,365 bid placed by 928sts", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504726036, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1726947, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Internet \"search\" sites are why I still keep a BB rifle handy...", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504726857, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727079, "authorName": "Gary_T1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gary_t1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Top shelf collectibles, hell, maybe close to ALL collectibles, get done because someone WANTS it done. Whether it's an XKE, Ferrari, or now even air cooled 911's; it's hard to make the math work. Even if you do the work yourself, time is money. Someone will buy this and restore it. There will probably be little profit to be made in the end, but he'll have an outstanding car. That's what it's all about.....", "likes": 16, "timestamp": 1504727718, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727123, "authorName": "Crazyas00", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crazyas00/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Stratos : Out here in the mountains, a BB rifle is a .30-.30.", "likes": 14, "timestamp": 1504728217, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727241, "authorName": "Rodmonster", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rodmonster/", "bidAmount": 26000, "content": "$26,000 bid placed by Rodmonster", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504729445, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1727264, "authorName": "SloMoe", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/slomoe/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Still waiting for details of the \"speed-related issues\" from the seller. My best was four speeding in a month and a half (18 years old, Datsun 2L Roadster). All went to warrant. *Very* close to jail, as I went to straighten things out. Seller?", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504729759, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727323, "authorName": "birdhouse", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/birdhouse/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm definitely not the target demographic for this--but wow, just stumbling across this one made me smile. A subtle nod to the early days of BAT which (I at least remember as) full of lovely old machines that had seen a few decades slip past since their last dance in the limelight. \n\ncool stuff.", "likes": 21, "timestamp": 1504730343, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727330, "authorName": "John_M", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/john_m/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Benicia is well known for being home to the US Maritime Mothball Fleet and Oil refineries. Surprised to see a Ferrari being stored there. It is also near the Bay which is where I guess much of the rust came from since the Bay Area is not in the snow belt! Regardless of the speeding tickets, it must have been hard to keep this old girl off the road for so many years!", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1504730445, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727356, "authorName": "derk1964", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/derk1964/", "bidAmount": 26543, "content": "$26,543 bid placed by derk1964", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504730809, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1727413, "authorName": "jimijimi", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jimijimi/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I smell a rat(rod) in the making.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504731396, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727498, "authorName": "kowalski", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kowalski/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Con (rod)?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504732167, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727502, "authorName": "loftyireland", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/loftyireland/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "hey BaTdudes don't blame me, the point of interest was how the car was stored. The plate was and still is in the pictures with the posting, anyone with a net connection and one working digit can find out exactly what I did in about 30 seconds.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1504732346, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727527, "authorName": "5bythbay", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/5bythbay/", "bidAmount": 31000, "content": "$31,000 bid placed by 5bythbay", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504732999, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1727540, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Crazyas00 \n\nHere in lovely suburbia, any miscreants creating chaos outside our abode would enjoy a healthy dose of BB shot (thereby allowing me to avoid jail time). Miscreants foolish enough to enter will have a 12-gauge \"tattoo\" to remember their stupidity.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504733419, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727617, "authorName": "vintageair", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vintageair/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@loftyireland - I know, it's just kind of uncool to do that on an auto auction site regardless of the fact that you can. We should maintain some semblance of respect for privacy. You could Google my username and probably end up knowing more about me than my Mom and none of us should harbor any notion that we have any secrets anymore in this day and age but the whole point is just about etiquette.", "likes": 38, "timestamp": 1504735408, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727784, "authorName": "Mark_Olson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mark_olson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "For a number of years I use to look out the back window of my home at a ISO Rivoita, when I got interested in it and asked the owner about it he said \"You just missed out, gave to some kid that is coming this weekend to pick it up.\" \nI'm wonder why is it only the front seats that get all eaten up and not the back? Not only this car, but others too.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1504738336, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727847, "authorName": "Aridgerunner", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/aridgerunner/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This is off topic for sure but.....I can't see where posting a license plate on line is any different than driving your car down the road for all to see. The tag is out there and anyone can take a picture of it. Do you show guys remove your license plate at car shows? Bet not.\n\nAnyway, good luck with the sale.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504739002, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727902, "authorName": "John_M", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/john_m/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "As for the engine, there's nothing wrong with it that a little Marvel Mystery Oil can't cure!", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504740640, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1727980, "authorName": "Leif_in_Calif", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/leif_in_calif/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Raffi: I'm with you! the late Martin Swig (California Mille) once told me \"a good project is one where you do what you can when you can and don't keep track of the costs\" of course the costs were probably less important to him than they would be to me.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1504743926, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728009, "authorName": "Turn11", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/turn11/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It's a shame that the owner stashed it and did not give someone else the opportunity to have some speed related issues.... maybe the time has come....", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504745544, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728098, "authorName": "PeteOfDeath", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/peteofdeath/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ferarris are usually a \"meh\" kinda thing for me, I mean they're cool but not really my thing. But... holy sh*t this car makes me giddy. I for one do not think it should be restored. The drivetrain should be brought back to its fully functioning glory, and the interior should be fixed. Lastly, the rust should be stopped, holes patched, ect. After that I want to see the new owner roll around with the only patina'd Ferrari you're likely to come across. If I had the money I'd buy it in a heartbeat, flog it up and down Mulholland, then park in all of the tight spaces around LA and leave the windows rolled down. F it. Too cool...", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1504749630, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728147, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "About 10 years ago, one guy around here used a silver 250 GT/L as his daily driver. It was in good mechanical condition, and had no apparent rust, but it was definitely in \"driver\" condition. He parked it in an open lot where he worked. It was very cool to see a Lusso being treated as though it was actually a usable automobile.\n\nUnfortunately, this one's too far gone for that. The \"just get it running and drive it as-is\" will not require much less work than a non-concours restoration. The engine needs a complete rebuild (anyone who believes otherwise is betting on a lot of luck); mere mortals can work on these, but expect a learning curve -- and expensive parts x12 or x24. There's no way to live with the current upholstery, unless you're very fond of sheepskin seat covers. And there's obvious rust-through, which means there's far more of it lurking. Once you do all that, you might as well paint it and take care of the dash, because that's about the only things you've avoided.\n\nSo I'd love to see it driven without a lot of serious work, but that doesn't seem likely at this point. Whether by professional or amateur, whether slowly or very, very slowly, It's going to be restored.\n\n@PeteOfDeath : have you seen the size of one of these? And have you driven Mulholland lately? This bus is a little big for tossing around the corners...", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1504752687, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728219, "authorName": "Morten", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/morten/", "bidAmount": 40000, "content": "$40,000 bid placed by Morten", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504755574, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1728253, "authorName": "ar1950", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ar1950/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Funny talk about make it run and drive it. Sounds like the Fast and Loud guys. Fix the mechanicals, air bag the suspension, put a blower or turbo on the engine and clear coat the body to save the \"patina\". Then get Sue to do a cheap interior upholstery job. Then go and lose your butt at an auction with the car. lol\n\nBTW, as to letting the car sit and rot a bit too much. I can see it. Park the car because you can't drive it (local law not withstanding). Maybe it will be worth fixing up and selling later. Unfortunately every year the car gets worse and fixing up gets more unlikely because of the cost. Finally, all these years later, reality hits. Time to actually get rid of it. Hey, I'm too old to do this anymore. Life does keep marching on until it is gone. It happens to all of us.\n\n Hopefully someone will bring this one back.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1504758104, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728283, "authorName": "Stantz", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stantz/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"What's that in your garage?\"\n\"Oh, nothing. Just the Ferrari that I don't drive anymore.\"\n*face-palm*", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1504761070, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728293, "authorName": "Turn11", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/turn11/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Christ... at least give the old girl a bath before you go showing her around. It would be nice to see what's left after a good scrub...", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504762399, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728312, "authorName": "rocketmaan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rocketmaan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If Lt. Columbo had hung in there a few more years, making Capt., he might have upped his ride from the Peugeot to this car.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504765096, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728344, "authorName": "pem", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/pem/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Current context:\n\nhttps://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1969-ferrari-365-gt-2-2-v12-c-7442.htm", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504774725, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728356, "authorName": "vdpsc", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vdpsc/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Having grown up in Michigan where salt is used liberally to season cars in the winter, the rust shown seems negligible. Send it to Earl Scheib and drive it. Lots of fun to be had!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504779874, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728415, "authorName": "Indetrucks", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/indetrucks/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ahhh.. this listing reminds me of the Bring A Trailer I know and love.\r\nPlease more of this type of listing and less Honda Civics.", "likes": 34, "timestamp": 1504787718, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728417, "authorName": "CCC", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ccc/", "bidAmount": 41000, "content": "$41,000 bid placed by CCC", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504787775, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1728431, "authorName": "BluMalago", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/blumalago/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "After already commenting here once, I keep checking to see if the seller replied. $41k bid, 95 comments including this one, and nothing? Not bashing the seller or anything and yes, this was only posted yesterday, but he (or she, can't be sexist!) must have figured this would have a lively comment section.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504788191, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728433, "authorName": "Lounge", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lounge/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I would have to suspect that some of it's 'storage' life was not in a garage. Restoration would clearly be a labor of love.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504788193, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728441, "authorName": "Daza", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/daza/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Cut the body off and weld on a 250 GTE body that is floating around. Make a nice special out of it.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504788489, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728476, "authorName": "misterlou", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/misterlou/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I wonder how many loads of laundry were folded on it.", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1504789741, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728474, "authorName": "KSJ1865", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ksj1865/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Why bring this to market now? Why not a few years ago when anything with a Ferrari badge was selling for 3x what it was worth?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504789780, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728477, "authorName": "hupper", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/hupper/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@pem - current context- \r\ngiven that is Beverly Hills Car Club, I suspect that 365 GT example at that price is a rust bucket underneath, or perhaps has a SBC transplant under that big air cleaner.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504789798, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728485, "authorName": "TRibute", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tribute/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "And who said California cars don't rust?", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504790123, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728487, "authorName": "Arekusan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/arekusan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ridden hard and put away wet. Literally.\n\nI mean, rear tires don't go bald in storage. And that JC Penney battery shouts \"who-cares-it's-my-daily-driver\" all over it.\n\nHaving said that, this is eminently restorable, at the right price (duh), and an amazing, beautiful, valuable automobile. I'm surprised there are ones like this yet to be found/sold.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1504790176, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728491, "authorName": "TRibute", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tribute/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"Speed related issues\"? Punish the driver not the car. This car did nothing wrong to deserve this treatment. Its DNA driven.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504790350, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728508, "authorName": "wally_woo", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wally_woo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Glove may be closer than it appears.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504790899, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728612, "authorName": "somenicestuff", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/somenicestuff/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "days like this\nmake me wish\nthat i no longer had\nSO MANY CARS\nand so little cash\n\n:(", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504794268, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728618, "authorName": "Chris_H.", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chris_h.-user/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Poor old gal.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504794464, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728620, "authorName": "t6dpilot", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/t6dpilot/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I see a ton of potential there. Sure you could dive in and do a full on restoration and that is probably what will happen. However... I could also see just doing a thorough cleaning, and I mean thorough. Pull out the suspension and drive train to refresh all the wear items and make it run and drive really well. Fix the rust as best as you can. Then just enjoy the heck out of it. At least that is what I would do. For now...", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504794617, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728634, "authorName": "Alloydawg", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/alloydawg/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It's nice to know Ferrari's like this have yet to be re-discovered. What a beautiful time we live in.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1504794861, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728776, "authorName": "rockingchairmotors", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rockingchairmotors/", "bidAmount": 42000, "content": "$42,000 bid placed by rockingchairmotors", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504799092, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1728782, "authorName": "Rick", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rick/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Nothing too daunting about this car... just money spent better elsewhere... and one of the least desirable V-12 Ferrari's on the planet when you are done. These cars are yuge without a lot of upside potential IMO.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504799263, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728786, "authorName": "QuicVic", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/quicvic/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm with you @t6dpilot. Getting much more fashionable as per the '56 Maserati A6G 2000 Gran Sport Berlinetta (Baillion) recently shown at Hampton Court etc.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504799304, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728802, "authorName": "Morten", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/morten/", "bidAmount": 50000, "content": "$50,000 bid placed by Morten", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504799987, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1728809, "authorName": "Arekusan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/arekusan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Rick... \"one of the least desirable V-12 Ferrari\u2019s...,\" while on its face debatable, is like saying \"one of the least attractive contestants in the Miss World competition.\"", "likes": 23, "timestamp": 1504800340, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728841, "authorName": "Rick", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rick/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@arekusan- absolutely right.. they just don't award 50th place in a beauty contest.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504801243, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728877, "authorName": "Andrew_from_Brooklyn", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/andrew_from_brooklyn/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Buy it and send it to Rod Tempero.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504802582, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1728904, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Good morning.\nI turned on my computer about a half hour ago, and was surprised when I saw the e-mail from the folks at BaT that the car was listed yesterday. So I started reading the comments, and see that I need to answer questions from many of you.\nLet me start by saying that I had no thoughts of selling the car, nor had I ever heard of BaT. But a neighbor friend who likes cars a lot told me about BaT about three weeks ago. I checked it out and looked at a couple of unusual cars. I enjoyed the conversations between obviously real car people and realized that it was time to let my car find someone who might drive her again. So here we are. \nI am committed to helping a friend here in town do an important project for the next few days, but I promise I will check in here every few hours to answer all your questions. I appreciate each and every comment, and know that everyone here cares about cars.", "likes": 39, "timestamp": 1504803763, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1729271, "authorName": "voiture", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/voiture/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I like the 365 2+2 just fine. It feels like the last of the classic Ferrari shapes, along with the Dino. The front end is particularly well done. \n\n It does feel a wee bit oversized, or at least overly long, but no worse than an XKE 2 + 2, and maybe a little better executed.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504812051, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1729444, "authorName": "Dutch-mill", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dutch-mill/", "bidAmount": 50500, "content": "$50,500 bid placed by Dutch-mill", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504814460, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1729508, "authorName": "bentleybobby", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bentleybobby/", "bidAmount": 55000, "content": "$55,000 bid placed by bentleybobby", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504815274, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1729546, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@voiture : the 365 2+2 is a full foot longer than the E-Type 2+2", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504815904, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1729595, "authorName": "voiture", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/voiture/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Ed L \"worse\" is probably imprecise. I meant that the 365 is a slightly more pleasing 2+2 than the XKE, proportionally...", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504816554, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1729749, "authorName": "Rick", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rick/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Quite possibly, the words \"better executed\" should be left out of descriptors of the design..posterior included.. especially in beauty contests. If that's what turns your widget..go for it. First question would be if the engine is frozen. I've seen Carrini (Roger) free them up and herd 'em to the auction block on TV. That was heart warming to someone.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504819556, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730002, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@voiture : in that sense I certainly agree; the 365 2+2 tail always looked a little long (or a lot long), but the lines flow well.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504822364, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730211, "authorName": "mrjirey", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mrjirey/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Not my favored design, but the odd ones sometime are gems. Unfortunately this one will fare exceed it value in restoration unless you are willing to hold it for 10-15 years.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504824882, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730245, "authorName": "Alex", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/alex/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Not my fav and I see rust but.....hey, this is the baby in a good shape.\n\nhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/1971_Ferrari_365_GT_2%2B2_%2821672756868%29.jpg\n\nBUY IT.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504825663, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730252, "authorName": "wareaglebrett", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wareaglebrett/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Not there yet but in a few years this one might be more valuable as a Ferrari to Fiero conversion as opposed to the other way around...", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504825844, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730269, "authorName": "Alex", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/alex/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Uh, just noticed that for this model Ferrari used the same door handles of the Fiat 124 spider.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504826045, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730295, "authorName": "jjmcd", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jjmcd/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "When looking at these cars online, you lose perspective on how small they are. Even a Queen Mary is actually quite small and, in person, the overly long tail doesn't look that long.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504826410, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730296, "authorName": "3304HL", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/3304hl/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If I were tempted to bid ( & I'm not), my first call would be to these folks in Estonia....\nhttps://www.facebook.com/pg/Vintage-Customizer-Restoration-Workshop-Estonia-230666956964237/photos/\nspectacular work -\nBTW, if the engine was truly fit for use when parked, it might possibly be re-built for as little as $30K; the rust however ....", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504826505, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730340, "authorName": "benzwagon", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/benzwagon/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Okay, I get it... Ferrari's are cool, I'm a Benzman and form follows function. The tail light bezels on this rust bucket are obscenely ugly and don't follow the lines of her ass! Just sayin..", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504827819, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730354, "authorName": "72911", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/72911/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "We are past the price point where restoration makes economical sense. Hopefully this is good news - meaning it will go to someone who will love it and restore it for what it is, not what it can make them. \n\nBrave fellows - very best of luck to them.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504828762, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730356, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\u201cForm follows function\u201d in Mercedes Benz design? That\u2019s such a charming myth...", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1504828860, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730503, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hi\nI'm back home for the night, so I'll continue to read everyone's comments and answer questions. \nTo SHAKING THROUGH: Yep. Those are ham radio license plates. You are correct about the plates staying with the person with that ham radio call sign. I will remove them. Ham radio has been my hobby since I was a teenager, and has provided me with a lot of joy and knowledge about things electronic. In fact, it steered me into a satisfying career path from which I am now retired. I would be pleased to answer any questions you or anyone else may have about that hobby, and help in any way I can. (Not here on this forum, obviously).\nPlease notice in the photos the two little holes in the rear panel above the existing license plate. Those holes were from the mounting of the original large Italian plates. At the front of the car on the bumper is a chrome cross piece that was on it when I bought it. I don't know if USA models came with it.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504836419, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730512, "authorName": "scheherazade", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/scheherazade/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm no expert on the V12 Ferrari market, but I'd say this car is already well sold. s", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504836771, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730514, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "About those Italian license plate holes: In Europe I covered them with the oval country discs that were required on all cars.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504836837, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730608, "authorName": "vintageair", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vintageair/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Alex - in regards to door handles, not the same as Fiat 124 but those handles were used in 1970 and later Alfa Romeo Spiders which were also designed and built by Pininfarina. You will find many common parts such as parking brake handles, tail lights, ashtrays and such used among the different Italian marques throughout the 60's and 70's", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1504840781, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730660, "authorName": "joeveto", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joeveto/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "IMHO this Ferrari is not as far gone as a lot of folks make it out to be. \n\nIt's not a basket case, all the original parts are there. I would not be surprised if the engine would start after some gentle coaxing and some clean fuel. Body, paint, and upholstery will bring this car back nicely. \n\nI mean, did I hallucinate, or did a rusted out shell of a 911 go for over $20K?\n\nhttps://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-porsche-911-coupe-3/\n\nI don't think this old Ferrari will be as painful to bring back to snuff. It's not a moneymaker, but it's not a fright pig either.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504843180, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730710, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hi again.\nTo SOME-DUDE and others who commented on the rust: Concerning the rust, I discussed this issue thoroughly with the folks at BaT because I want you to see all the bad stuff and all the good stuff. They told me what photos to take so that the worst rust could be seen. I AM EMPHASIZING the fact that there is a lot of rust, a lot of accumulated dirt and spider webs, a lot of crumbling leather, etc.\nThe rust did not come from California weather. The car never moved from inside the garage for over 30 years until BaT told me I had to take photos outside last week. The roads in Germany were heavily salted when I lived there, and I drove the car all year round. I wonder if they still do that.", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1504846134, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730721, "authorName": "TheMBOD", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thembod/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ok forgive the dumb question, but can anyone out there give a ball park, back of the envelope, figure on how much it would cost to restore this car to a nice condition? I am serious about this question and would like to bid.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504846783, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730738, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hi RHODYM20 and others wondering about the California exempt issue: When I drove the car to California from it's arrival by ship in Baltimore, Maryland, I immediately went through the complicated exemption paperwork. If you look at the bottom right corner of the windscreen, you can see the faded small exempt sticker put there by the DMV inspector. The car passed the smog test several times after that until it reached the age where it was no longer necessary. \nIMPORTANT: Absolutely no modifications have ever been made to it's pure Italian euro-specs. So none of the horses had to be removed from the engine.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504848008, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730747, "authorName": "Shepard", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shepard/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "My new friend ... Derby here! Just wanted to say what a special way for neighbors to meet as we did!\nIn keeping this off the Air waves :):):) .... The somewhat miracle of not having a clue where you were .... And asking the Shelby to take me to you .... Unreal ..... Right to ya ! It looks like due to what I shared with you today I may have some real honest true friends that are willing and able to help me ! What fun you and I could have with this project ..... Sorry I talk so much but we seem to intercross with each other somehow", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504849123, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730753, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Well, OK then...", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504850082, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730762, "authorName": "macygray", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/macygray/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@TheMBOD\r\nThe SCM Guide says the recent median auction price paid for these cars has been $282K. That would be for cars in excellent condition with few if any needs.\r\n\r\nThe current bid after 1 day is $55K. With the interest in this car, it's likely to go much higher during the next 6 days.\r\n\r\nMy experience of Ferrari ownership and restoring other marques tells me that restoring a car in this condition will cost a great deal---no surprise there. There might be a risk that the cost of the car + a decent restoration back to looking good and driving safely, with all systems functioning properly, might exceed the car's value. The car is in California but the seller has said that it was driven year round in Germany, which heavily treats their roads in Winter\u2026. \r\n\r\nThe best way to deal with that risk would be to pay a knowledgeable and experienced Ferrari man like Michael Sheehan or someone equally experienced to examine the car and tell you what he thinks. If that isn't feasible, at the very least the many photos could be examined, and an opinion given. The advice will be well worth the cost.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504850889, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730769, "authorName": "TheMBOD", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thembod/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@macgray thank you very much for the valuable advice. I have had a couple of mercedes restored to near excellent condition and, as you said, the total cost was more than the value of the car. In my case, I was not planning on flipping them. Thanks, again!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504852027, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730800, "authorName": "Morten", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/morten/", "bidAmount": 65000, "content": "$65,000 bid placed by Morten", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504859228, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1730881, "authorName": "benzwagon", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/benzwagon/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@EDL \nKnow it all pompous elitists like you have probably no knowledge of the great Bruno Sacco. He is acknowledged as one of the greatest automobile designers of all time. He in fact brought the world some of the most gorgeous cars ever.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504873757, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1730921, "authorName": "TRibute", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tribute/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze (The seller). Ok. Curiosity has gotten the better part of me. Why did you wind up storing this car for over 30 years?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504875727, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1731066, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "#benzwagon : I've always liked Sacco's work -- going back to the C111. But that's besides the point here. Designers like me know that \"form follows function\" has always been a myth -- no matter what designer or manufacturer. \n\nOr as we sometimes say of Louis Sullivan's dictum, form follows function at a safe distance.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504880975, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1731307, "authorName": "Arekusan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/arekusan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm enjoying the discussion about form and function (although I think we can spare personal insults please... opinions are neither right nor wrong) and would suggest that BaT consider having a \"chat room\" for such sidebars. OK, back to this beauty...", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504886887, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1731309, "authorName": "lamachina", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lamachina/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@TheMBOD - a lot depends on to what level you want the car restored and what shape the engine is in. If the engine is a complete basket case, I would budget at least $60k to get it done right. If it just needs a \"message\" to get running, maybe $20 to $30k. But then what about the transmission and differential? So, I would say to make it semi-presentable and mechanically sound would be $150k. To get it to Pebble Beach standards would probably be $350k+. (I know of a Lusso that recently sold on which restoration costs exceeded $600k and the \"before\" car was leagues ahead of this one.) Again, it all depends on what you want.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504886949, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1731363, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Arekusan +1 regarding the ad hominems.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504888311, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1731436, "authorName": "dps", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dps/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I would add to the discussion that there is no need to do a Pebble Beach level restoration on this car. It becomes undriveable again if that happens. Restore it to your own level of comfort and enjoy the car. It has been off the road too long already.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1504890299, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1731460, "authorName": "Wagon_the_dog", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wagon_the_dog/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Raffi - I look forward to reading your Bat Auction Success Story in the year 2032!", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1504890725, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1731461, "authorName": "jas280z", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jas280z/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "So, what are we thinking is the correct price for this car? From the get go, I was figuring it was right around 70k. Even at that price, any buyer would likely be underwater after a comprehensive resto.\n\nI hope that reserve has been met at this point, or will be shortly, I don't think this is a six figure car as it sits.\n\nI think we are well past the point where most shops/dealers could hope to purchase this looking for a quick flip or a profitable restoration. I hope whomever buys this has the necessarily deep pocket and time in order to bring it back to its original glory. It will likely end up being a labor of love, so cost may not be as much of a factor (assuming adequate resources).", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504890750, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1731822, "authorName": "Yale", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/yale/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "In terms of restoring a Ferrari four seater you have some pretty big costs as it's a pretty big car and of course a Ferrari so there are at least 12 of everything in the engine and quite a few cows needed to go into the interior. Paint and rust repair, remember, you're not going to go down to Pep boys and get some new fenders. So unless you find a donor car to cut parts off of, you will have to have someone hammer some replacement metal, time consuming that. Plus the fact that everything is somewhat hand made and not stamped out to begin with I think paint and metal work will be around $30,000. Having just had a Ferrari engine rebuilt myself, you'll be looking at least $30,000 for this part. Transmission will be about $5000. Interior, this will be 15,000 - 20,000. I'm sure these numbers sound high to some of you, and that -you know how you can do things more cheaply-. Funnily enough these are not at all the most you could spend, but doing things correctly and on a budget! And that correctly word is an important one, because for the all the short cuts you do, you will loose more on the value of the car when you want to sell it then you will save. So you have to pony up. That's why they call it a Ferrari.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1504898817, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1732160, "authorName": "hawk", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/hawk/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It must have wonderful to tour around Europe in this in the 70's", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504903215, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1732161, "authorName": "Shepard", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shepard/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Still days away! I hope the bidding keeps going up and up! Why? Why not ...... The seller is a kind wonderful guy ... Who , in my option is like this Car... A real story that sooner than we all know ... Will become non existent ! He is what my GGF ADShepard had in his far in advance Vision of the type of person he would chose to be apart of the Automobiles legacy when he create \" Pebble Beach\" ! As I write the seller is helping a wheelchair bound friend .... He deserves more than this car could ever be worth !!!!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504903226, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1732963, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To SHAKINGTHROUGH and others who have asked about my \"speed-related-issues\": I didn't realize that this was anything of interest. Since I first learned about BaT several weeks ago, I'm getting the feeling that it is a fun place to talk about cars, cars for sale, and stories about cars.\nSo, here's the story.........................\nIn 1960 and 1961, there were about 30 or 40 guys on the east coast who were racing MG's, Triumphs, Morgans, Elva Couriers, etc. in SCCA events, and having a blast. In 1962, a few of us decided we wanted to play with open-wheeled cars (Formula Jr.). By then, the new rear-engine cars, like the Cooper, were dominating. Those who could afford these were selling their front-engine Formula Jr. cars. I scraped together enough money to buy a dkw-powered Scorpion from Lew Flink. He was nice enough to throw in a trailer to put it on to get to the races. Until then, like most of us, I would drive my Triumph TR-3A to the track, take off as much as possible to race, and then put it back together again to drive home. To get an idea of how much fun racing in the 60's was, find some pictures of the infield at Watkins Glen back then. It was known as the \"bog\". Practice was Saturday, followed by partying, big campfires, singing, dancing, and the occasional beverage. There was one rickety telephone booth in the bog, and in 1961 someone in a black TR-3a flattened it around 2 AM at the height of merry-making. It's probably too far back in time for any criminal charges for that act, so it's probably safe to say that I was up late that night.\nBack to 1962. Several of my friends, who were college students, decided to come along that summer to campaign the Scorpion. By mutual agreement, they would be known as \"The Race Crew\". What that meant was that we would all sleep in the tent and take turns putting air in the tires and changing spark plugs. Money was no object. Our favorite racetracks were Marlboro, Maryland; the Glen, and Elkhart Lake because that is where we found the most beer and soda bottles to get deposit money for food and gas to make it to the next race. Occasionally, someone with a new rear-engine car would give us a used tire or two.\nSo, what has all this got to do with anything?\nAfter the last race of that season, I dropped off \"The Race Crew\" at exits along the New York Thruway and the Pennsylvania Turnpike so they could hitch-hike to their colleges because classes would start the next day. Driving alone the rest of the way home, I concluded that no money is no good. I wanted a more competitive car for next season. I had been offered a job in Germany to work with NATO forces. Although I had served in the U.S. Army, I had never been overseas. I thought I could save enough money in one year to buy a competitive race car. Several weeks later, after I assured my mom that I had enough handkerchiefs and underwear for a year, I landed in Frankfurt late at night. The next morning I reported to the military base to start work. When I took my first coffee break at 9 AM in the break room there was no coffee. All the Germans were drinking beer. I knew I was going to love this place. But my real love came on my first drive that day. Everyone seemed to be driving at racing speed. Wow. I owned a succession of Opel, Renault, Fiat, Audi, Jaguar, Alfa Romeo, Mini, Peugot , and other cars over the course of living and working in 7 European countries throughout the 60's and early 70's. Outside of every town and city limit in Europe, there were no speed limits, and cars were driven at the limit. I started to see many more cars on the roads, and there began to be a clamor for speed limits in several countries. If I was ever going to be able to drive as fast as fast is on an open road, now was the time to get that fastest car. That, of course, was Ferrari. To \"family-justify\" a Ferrari, it would have to be a four-seater, because by now I was a family-man with two kids. The 365 GT 2+2 had to be that car. So off to Milano to the Ferrari dealer. A new car was not in the budget, but I had enough for a used one. There she was. She felt real good on the road. I'm not, and never was, interested in \"pedigree\". I cared about \"how fast\". I just wanted what I thought was the fastest 4-seat car on the planet. I knew time was running out for real driving in Europe. The dealer said I was the second owner. I didn't ask who the first owner was. I still don't care who the first owner was. I know he never drove her with the enjoyment I have. \nIt was time to return to the U.S.A. for keeps.\nThe car was shipped to Baltimore, Maryland.\nDuring the three day drive to San Francisco, I had my first \"speed-related-issue\". All was going well, although slower than she and I were happy with. In a beautiful far-western state at about 2:30 AM with almost no headlights or tail-lights in sight, several state police along a hundred mile stretch were convinced that the calibration of their newly-acquired radar guns was askew when I drove past them (one in-motion, by-the-way). At the next town, about 50 miles (about 25 minutes, I was told later) further down the road, I stopped at the only stoplight. Several smartly-uniformed troopers wanted to admire the car, and invited me to be their guest for the rest of the night. I accepted their invitation, and was grateful for the continental breakfast they gave me before introducing me to the local magistrate. He had a genuine interest in my car, and he spent more than a half-hour telling me about his annual vacations in Europe. Every year he spent two weeks in Italy and Germany.Prior to his arrival there he arranged to rent either a Ferrari or Maserati during his stay. It was my good fortune to have met this particular magistrate. He appreciated the need for speed. Before I left his company he gave me the opportunity to contribute to the village high school football field re-building fund. I couldn't refuse. In all honesty, I had previously driven through this state several times when there was no speed limit. I didn't realize that was no longer the case.\nThis is the only \"speed-related-issue\" I'll discuss. Having lived a driving-dream in Europe for so long, I developed a certain \"style\" of driving which had to be transformed. The transition was hard. Finally, I had enough of throttle-back driving with her. We drove into the garage, turned the key off, and closed the door. She hadn't moved an inch or run since.", "likes": 87, "timestamp": 1504917180, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733019, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze: Hey neighbor, I say get it running, keep it and give the Benicia PD something to do! ;-)", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504919776, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733042, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hi stev0001\nThanks for the comment. \nI have been trying all day during breaks from a project, to post answers to people's questions. Every time I click on the SUBMIT button the message disappears and doesn't get posted. It worked last night. Today I must be doing something wrong. Let's see if it works this time, because it is the first time I answered a post immediately. Here goes", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504920880, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733045, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ha. It worked.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504920922, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733067, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To: The person who asked about the lower left toggle switch on the central dash panel by the radio:\nI don't remember for sure. It is either for the alarm system or the electric fuel pump.\nIf the alarm is not turned off before igniting the engine, it will allow the car to run for one minute so that it will shut down in traffic.\n\nAs for the fuel pump: There are two. Number one is mechanical. It runs all the time. Number two is electric, and must be turned on before speed reaches 190 KPH. That is 118 MPH. It won't go faster than that if the electric pump is off. I always turned it on outside of town because I would usually cruise at 210 KPH until I cleared traffic.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1504921724, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733098, "authorName": "Bogart1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bogart1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The switches are from left to right. Ignition cut off switch, electric fuel pump, left front window de fog fan, rear window defog, right front window defog fan, hazard lights The lower left is not original so that might be the after market alarm", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504923110, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733152, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Thank you, Bogart1\nI didn't know if the alarm was standard on the car, or installed by the dealer.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504926552, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733269, "authorName": "TheMBOD", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thembod/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@lamachina thanks much appreciated", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504934501, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733278, "authorName": "macygray", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/macygray/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "With this car's history and needs, a part or cheap restoration isn't very practical or workable. \n\nBody/frame: The car has serious body/floor rust. Probably also frame rust. You can't just part-fix those and leave the rest alone to save money. Are you going to allow rust holes in the rear passenger floor or trunk to go unfixed to save money? Not healthy for occupants. All holes need to be fixed properly to protect the occupants. The frame would also need thorough checking, and repairs as required or you don't have a driveable car. \n\nElectricals: also need to function reliably or you don't have a driveable car. What's expendable? Pretty much just the radio. Everything else needs to work, and with salty roads in this car's past, best gone through thoroughly. Have you seen what salty water can do to copper wiring, even when encased in rubber or plastic, which always cracks in places after a half-century? There can be lots of green stuff and unreliability there. \n\nMechanical: Ferrari engines are just plain expensive to rebuild. Maybe this one doesn't need rebuilding if it fires up and runs. Better keep a very close watch on its running characteristics, otherwise you could destroy the car's numbers-matching engine, with a lot of the car's value gone. Same with the transmission & differential. Change the fluids and see how they do, keeping your fingers crossed. \n\nBrakes: Nothing can be left unexamined / unrepaired and less than fully functional. Better change the tires too. 30+ year old tires don't hold up to high speeds well. \n\nSuspension: See Brakes, above.\n\nInterior: you could install sheepskin seatcovers and be the only Ferrari owner in town with them. \n\nGuages: how badly do you want to know the water temp, oil pressure, charging function, revs, speed? Guess, cross your fingers, or go through them to ensure correct function?\n\nPaint: Here is where you can save a lot with low end paint. How good do you want your restored Ferrari to look? \n\nSame question RE: those rusty bumpers and other brightwork: replate, or leave alone? There is no halfway. Well, there's always silver paint.\n\nBottom line: $$ can be saved in a few places, but reliability and curb appeal will suffer. It would be a shame if this special car becomes just another stalled restoration because the owner wasn't prepared for the work or costs involved.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1504935364, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733327, "authorName": "Von_Hayek", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/von_hayek/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Regarding your racing history, my father raced E Production at Marlboro, VIR, and Cumberland in the 60s and was track instructor at Marlboro. Know any of the Porsche guys?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504950754, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733395, "authorName": "scheherazade", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/scheherazade/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "At the risk of being repetitive, repeat slowly after me: \"This car is already well sold\".", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504960410, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733511, "authorName": "Achman", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/achman/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "At auction these are currently bringing from $165K to $300K in #1 condition. This car would realistically take around $200K and 1-2 years to bring to #1 condition. You'd probably be in it about $300K altogether, and with the market sliding a bit, you would be underwater for the current time, in not one of the most popular F cars, although they are great drivers.. On the other hand, fix the body and interior, store the V12, and small block Chevy gets you a DD with a lot of panache for less than the current supercar-what'sit that will be out of style in a year.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504964660, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733730, "authorName": "asgor", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/asgor/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Can anyone these days just buy (and/or fix) a Ferrari for the purpose of driving it? What's with all this Pebble Beach obsession? Of course it doesn't make sense to turn this specimen into a pristine #1 sample: look at it! But this car can certainly be fixed up to a far-less-than perfect functional state without having to spend a fortune.\r\n\r\nLook at this car's history: it was driven hard and thoroughly enjoyed. Making this vehicle into a museum piece would be like turning an opened tuna fish tin can into a jewelry box: I suppose it could be done but... why?", "likes": 17, "timestamp": 1504974891, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733802, "authorName": "Obnoxio", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/obnoxio/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Looks like the garage was the worst thing he could have done to it. Damp, cool, rust. Somebody gonna need a tetanus shot when they get into the guts of this one.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504979273, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733827, "authorName": "Jwalkings", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jwalkings/", "bidAmount": 66000, "content": "$66,000 bid placed by Jwalkings", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504980673, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1733868, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To ROCKETMAN, Crazyas00, and others who are concerned about the welfare of the car:\nThank you for the warning. I had not thought about leaving it outside unlocked, since the key disappeared a long time ago. It would be terrible if something was missing from the car. \nIt is safe now. BaT insisted that I take photos of her outside the garage. When I found her sunglasses and enough grandkids to move her outside, we took the photos. On Thursday, I rounded up the grandkids again and rolled her back inside. Thank you, everyone, for cautioning me.", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1504983461, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733907, "authorName": "Blackplate", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/blackplate/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "OK This is why love BAT. Read every 168 postings. This is why BAT was invented. Car nuts. Gotta believe the Seller has so many more great speed stories. I got popped by cops in a 1978 Porsche Turbo on a Sunday Morning at 5:30 on the 405 by Sunset Ave offramp. Needed to let her run a little. ( A lot) Funny I was in a tuxedo and the \"Copper\" said he knew who I was when he came up to the Turbo gun drawn and nervous. Got booked, got out of the pokey in about 5 hrs ,never said a word once. I signed X not my name. Guess he thought I was a big fish- a Hollywood famous actor guy! Wish I was a fly on the wall when his Commander informed him he booked the wrong guy! Ha Ha. The Tux threw him. Fassst Car. Love those famous guys. True story for real. And thats how you avoid a speed exhibition ticket in LA.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1504986452, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733908, "authorName": "Blackplate", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/blackplate/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Change the Oil, do some work on it and drive it. Bet no one else you know owns a FERRARI. Thats the point. Be honest with your self, the smiles of listening to engine rumble is worth the price of admission to the club.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1504986589, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733947, "authorName": "honda1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/honda1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@qze (The Seller)\r\nLove the stories about your car, please continue through the auction. Good luck with the sale of the time capsule!", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1504989317, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1733951, "authorName": "Niteroi", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/niteroi/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "IMO there's more to the story than it's being told. The pics previously showed by another BaTer's google earth link showed the car sitting outside, and those pics are not current, likely a couple years old. As I mentioned before, that paint wouldn't have cracked like that in the garage, nor would the dash, seats and etc. A few parts look newer than 30 years old, like a bracket in one of the undercarriage pics. Also, those tires didn't get completely worn out like that from sitting in a garage, so it means the car was being driven like that at 200 kph?? This car's neglect started way before it got parked, and if you think you're going to just add some fresh fuel and car will start right up, think twice, if that was true owner would have done it. I wouldn't be surprised if engine was seized up. Sorry for being so negative but info doesn't add up and seller seem to be avoiding talking about car's condition.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1504989672, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734031, "authorName": "macygray", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/macygray/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Niteroi\nGood points. Years ago, before the big runup in Ferrari prices, this was a parts car because it would have been a crazy use of money to spend what would be required to just get it on the road as a reliable driver. You would need to pretty much R&R everything just so it would be safe to drive, and not have the drive train self destruct. The car would have sold cheap back then, so the risk was small if you had to part it out to recoup.\n\nNow? This is best sold to someone dedicated to and experienced in '60s Ferraris, maybe with some relevant spare parts to draw on, a well equipped shop, welding and other R&R skills, and lots of free time. Otherwise it will probably continue to sit, or eventually be parted out.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1504994924, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734054, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Just curious, no pictures of the trunk? Are there any books or tools?\r\n\r\nAlso, this car has three keys-- door, ignition, and glove box. All three are lost?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1504996712, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734057, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Achman, unless it has something really wrong with it (like a hole in the block), the engine won't be the most expensive part of getting this car in safe, presentable driving condition. So an SBC wouldn't be much help, and would greatly detract from both the value and driving enjoyment of this car.\n\nThe 2-cam 365 V-12 is one of the best, and most reliable, motors Ferrari has ever made.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504996830, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734065, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To Niteroi:\nAh, yes indeed, there is more to the story than I have told. Wonderfully more. But I have clearly indicated that I drove her hard. Very hard. I want to dissuade anyone looking for a car that was babied and without faults. I have continued to emphasize that this car has rust, bad paint, bad upholstery, bad tires, bad battery, and bad manners to anyone that would not drive her skillfully hard at every opportunity. I took dozens of pictures of rust, flaws, and spider webs. I gave a long narrative of why I bought it and how I drove it. As far as the shiny bracket: I just reviewed the photos, and am guessing that you are probably referring to one particular muffler hanger strap that escaped rust.\nNow let's talk about the Google Earth satellite photos. Please tell me about that. I didn't know a reader had posted those. I would like to see them. Neither Google nor Google Earth existed when the car was put in the garage. Other cars have sat in my driveway. Many cars. You said that other parts are newer. Tell me what they are.\nAnd you are so right about those tires. They did not get that smooth by sitting in the garage. It was my custom to smoke them whenever I had the chance. But, of course I did not drive at 200 KPH in the U.S.A. But I did accelerate quickly at every opportunity............to smoke the tires.\nI never suggested that you could just add fresh fuel and it will start right up. In fact, in conversations with BaT before the listing, I told them that all the fluids need to be drained, everything on the car checked; and I suggested that the engine be inspected and make sure nothing was out of tolerance before igniting the engine.\nFinally, I don't think that in any of my comments I described anything as being perfect, near perfect, or not needing work. All of my comments about the car's condition have been to alert the buyer that this is a car that needs a lot of work. I don't think that any of that adds up to avoiding talking about the car's condition.\nPlease accept my invitation to come into my garage and inspect anything at all. After which, in all sincerity, I will be pleased to enjoy a cup of coffee with you and share more great stories with you.", "likes": 45, "timestamp": 1504997251, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734073, "authorName": "GibbyGibson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gibbygibson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "For those of you running the expenses of restoring it yourself, don't forget to factor in the cost of hiring a divorce lawyer after the first year in.", "likes": 16, "timestamp": 1504997840, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734078, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To some-dude:\nAbout the key(s). This car only ever had one key. Perhaps U.S. models were different.\nNo tools or books.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504998344, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734088, "authorName": "Achman", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/achman/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@some_dude\n\nI think you misunderstand me, the sbc swap has nothing to do with the price of the engine rebuild (and it needs to be rebuilt, if only for future value- who is going to buy a Ferrari v12 that has been sitting for 30 years but \"didn't need engine rebuild, runs fine!\" Lol) it has to do with being underwater on the car as a whole. \nI stand by my numbers--and the engine is probably a $30k-$40k part of that cost. Unless you rebuild it, you can't drive it. Then starts the slippery slope of restoring a car for passion rather than having an eye on the value/cost equation. There's nothing wrong with that, but I'm not an upside-down guy.\n\nI disagree about it adversely affecting the value. Body restoration and interior will run you a pretty penny; storing the matching numbers engine correctly and driving it with cheap reliable power is an option. If values explode, do the engine and swap it back in. Plus all the Ferrari guys will lose their minds.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1504999194, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734101, "authorName": "steve-racer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/steve-racer/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze ( the seller ) . that is the best \"hear it is , buy it or don't \" honest description I have read in a while on BaT. future and existing sellers take note , please ! .", "likes": 14, "timestamp": 1505000449, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734102, "authorName": "scheherazade", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/scheherazade/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@asgor. I would like to respectfully disagree that the car can be made functional (and by functional we both mean mechanically reliable and safe, right?) without spending a small fortune (unless you consider $100K less than a fortune). The car is 4d from sale and is already at $66K. Even assuming that rust hasn't invaded important frame and suspension points of needed integrity to farm out the work and the engine didn't need a complete rebuild. Then ,2 years later and $200K later, you'd still have an ugly driver. My mantra remains: \"This car is already well sold\". s", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505000674, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734122, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze, I certainly think you have presented the car fairly, and I think it's fantastic that you enjoyed it as it should be enjoyed, while it was running!", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505001879, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734196, "authorName": "macygray", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/macygray/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze\nAgree that the car has been presented fairly and openly, with an invite for anyone to come and inspect it. Now it's up to potential buyers to evaluate the car themselves or pay someone to do it. That's what should happen with any car being sold on BaT, so nothing new there. I guess when it's a vintage V12 Ferrari with needs things can get exciting.......\n\nMaybe the car in the photo taken from space is the car on auction here, maybe it isn't. Focusing on things like that won't tell anyone what it will take to get the car running and driving safely. A competent inspection of the car itself will go a long way toward determining that, but you will know for certain only when you get into the R&R. That's just the way these kinds of projects go. \n\nYour backstory on the car was fascinating, and a fun read. Probably a lot of us would like to have had some of those experiences, which makes the car even more interesting. Having enjoyed some amazing driving experiences on the German Autobahn myself I can definitely understand the motivation. Unfortunately I didn't have a V12 Ferrari, only a rental BMW Touring, but 229 KPH wasn't too bad. One of the best parts of the Autobahn was the skill and courtesy you see in other drivers when you drive it. \n\nI hope the auction goes well for both you and the new owner, and that he ends up having fun with the car.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1505008367, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734264, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hi macygray:\nThank you for your encouragement. I didn't expect my initiation to this BaT thing to be such fun, and so insightful as to others' perspectives about cars. It is really bringing back some great times, if only in my fading memory. What you said about the skills of driving at speed make me think about the skills at the other end of the spectrum at low speed. I'm referring to my 1964 Fiat 500D, with the suicide doors, which I bought new, and still have and still love. She possesses 15 horses in her 499cc heart and a 4-speed gearbox, and will do 110 KPH. Thrashing through the gears (double-clutching and double-de-clutching) through the crowded streets of Rome and other car-infested cities with every other driver going as fast as their little tiny cars would go develops other skills so that an equal, although different kind of excitement can be realized. Of course I did have to see what top speed was attainable, and when someone asks, I tell them to look at a picture of that year's speedometer to calculate it. My little Fiat once pushed the needle to the \"I\" in the word \"benzina\". That was way, way downhill. Different cars are appealing for different reasons to different folks. I'm happy that you were able to taste the Autobahn, and hope you get to do it often.", "likes": 23, "timestamp": 1505015252, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734294, "authorName": "Shepard", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shepard/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Had my GGF not left all his estate to the endowment at UC Berkely and at North Western creating the now historic Shepards Hall for the gifted students to have closer contact to their Proffessors STOP and I had a choice over this along with a Top Shelf restoration or say Keith Richards car ..... And Ofcourse my intention being to put on the lawn that had cars on it before Tiger Woods ...., this F .... Would be in no ? The one ! Our sellers story , is a story that Jay , Caroll , and even Enzo himself would give more value to than just Star or Ralph Loren type owner ..... It's Classic Beyound measure ! The price on this is PRICELESS.... Everyone in our World now knows of this car ..... I hope they respect\r\nLike anyone should the true value here !!!!!!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505021440, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734296, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The price on this is PRICELESS.... \n\nI couldn't put a price on that...", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505021583, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734360, "authorName": "Arekusan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/arekusan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Candidate for BaT Best Feature or Best Seller (is that an award?)? I for one am enjoying this auction more than any others. and would to love to have a Peroni with an owner that did burn outs year round in a 365GT (not that I condone that behavior!).", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1505044925, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734476, "authorName": "Lolat324", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lolat324/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This car will be restored. Every day people spend $30 grand restoring a 914. The car means something to them, and spending that money is part of the deal. With limited hope that they will ever see it upon sale. I have my dads original Sunbeam Alpine III GT, all there, runs great, not missing a part-could use a thorough do over-A to Z, do the math what $40 grand for a nut and bolt make over if I do a lot of the work, but at 5 I picked up that car with my dad, means 50 times more to me then the money. This Ferrari, it will mean something to somebody, where coin means less, the challenge, rarity, matter. All with inevitable upside. Said it here before gentlemen, lots of guys with stupid money chasing these challenges. But this car, smart money is in play! GLWTA, loved the comments (generally), and hope it gets to a good home.....", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1505055338, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734493, "authorName": "RemingtonSR71", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/remingtonsr71/", "bidAmount": 67000, "content": "$67,000 bid placed by RemingtonSR71", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505056559, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1734621, "authorName": "casabianca", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/casabianca/", "bidAmount": 67500, "content": "$67,500 bid placed by casabianca", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505067054, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1734645, "authorName": "swisskartracer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/swisskartracer/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I often watch the bidding out of Switzerland and always close to place a bid. Also this beauty is something that would be great to be brought back to Europe. Sorry about this. Anyway I can not aford it...I looked at some similar postings here in Switzerland and found the same model offered here in Switzerland for around one million. When I looked at the Pictures, I unfortunately can not copy and paste them, there is a huge difference on the rear lamps. A Ferrari specialist may bit himself into this...The Swiss car has a slim rear light on each side only. The BAT car has three round ones on the side. Maybe someone noted this already", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505068540, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734774, "authorName": "Hal9000", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/hal9000/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"this car has rust, bad paint, bad upholstery, bad tires, bad battery, and bad manners\"\nOh Ferrari badging you've saved me again...", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505080561, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1734948, "authorName": "Crazyas00", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crazyas00/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze : You Sir, are my new hero! Anyone who has understood what it's like to drive a car like this at speed, as it was intended, are good by me. And the fact the day came for you to realize enough was enough, you wisely parked her and walked away. For that decision, we are here today, discussing this marvelous old Ferrari, and a hint of your history. Well Done! We shall see where this goes in a few days. For those of you complaining about how or why, or what to do to this road warrior, you do not get it. Hopefully, a passionate person buys this, and does whatever they think should be done. Yes, a labor of love. Not of resale.", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1505092953, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1735217, "authorName": "72911", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/72911/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The Seller is a legend!!!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505135914, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1735330, "authorName": "clintonmomo", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/clintonmomo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I love this car and this seller! If I had the funds I would be the winner if the auction no matter what it took. Then promptly start a mechanical refresh and make sure this cars speed related incident stories would be continued!", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505142639, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1735339, "authorName": "DeltaLimaXray", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/deltalimaxray/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "1qze (Seller) Should you wish to charge for the privilege of sipping coffee, and recalling its storied history, all while admiring this brilliant piece of automotive history, I'll be at the front of the line.\n\nSpectacular write up!", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505142955, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1735466, "authorName": "John_M", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/john_m/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze\nWelcome to BaT and thanks for bringing something truly interesting to discuss and purchase on this forum. Your car is fantastic not because it is a Ferrari, but because of its history and its owner wringing every bit of enjoyment out of the car.\nWhen the bidding is done, I hope you remain on BaT to share some more of your stories of ownership and driving of the cars of your youth. I am sure some of them may pop up now and again here. You dry wit and commentary will be a great addition here!\nBest of luck with the sale.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1505148046, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1736062, "authorName": "DBAOne", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbaone/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The fact that it has factory-installed AC is very impressive to me. I also like the fact that it is the long-term owner selling this and not a flipper. I can't afford it, but thumbs up to those who can.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505161703, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1736485, "authorName": "cwood13", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/cwood13/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I took the gas tank out an e-type that had been parked half full for 40years. Nothing can ever compare to the smell and disgusting mess of the hardened goo that was found there. Nothing.\n\nThis would make a good basis for recreating a more exotic ferrari", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505169055, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1736522, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To misterlou and wally woo:\nConcerning the garden glove and the broken mirror. Indeed, I broke the mirror while folding laundry.\nPlease also notice the missing mirror on the passenger side. There was no requirement for one in Europe. But California requires one. I managed to avoid installing one because I always enjoyed the uninterrupted lines of the car down that right side. \nAnd about what was NOT OK in Europe: I was told that Ferrari eventually decided not to deliver cars there with wire wheels because they compromised the handling and safety at high speed. I don't know if that is fact or fiction, but it seems the solid wheels do make more sense.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1505170894, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1736576, "authorName": "Elanguy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/elanguy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The \"Queen Mother\" is a wonderful machine and this one should be brought back. I cannot think of these without thinking of Pietro Castiglione and his love for Ferrari and his 365 GT\nhttps://www.premierfinancialservices.com/news-events/in-memory-of-pietro/", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505173142, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1736619, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hi Von Hayek\nI most probably raced with your dad at Marlboro or at Cumberland. It was mostly the same crowd driving their E Production cars from track to track. The folks that ran the program at Marlboro were the most imaginative and fun-loving on the east coast. So your dad must have been one of them. Did your dad ever tell you about the January \"Refrigerator Bowl\" race? It was the goofiest way to win a trophy ever. All day Sunday you could put your name on the sign-up sheet to enter what I think was a ten-lapper at the end of the day. Any class of car could enter. \nGreen flag down. Off we go from a standing-start. Race hard until 200 feet from the finish line on the last lap. Then everyone jammed on the brakes and tried to psyche each other out by inching and crawling to the finish line because trophies were awarded for first, third, and fifth from the front; and fifth, third, and first from last. The ultimate winner of the race was the guy in last place. Bob Tullius and I were door-to-door in my black and his white TR3-A's for probably five minutes during that last 200 feet trying to be last, laughing our heads off. There were probably 10 cars wide doing the same thing. Bob was the ultimate winner, as he was so often in serious races, and I was fifth from last. That's the closest I ever came to beating Bob; a few inches.\nAbout the Porsche guys. I have trouble remembering names, but in 1960 I was racing an MG-TD. This was my first race car. And my first sports car. I got it in a trade for a 1948 Desoto from a guy who had taken every nut off of every bolt in the car. No two pieces of the differential, gearbox, engine, suspension, or anything else were connected. My good friend and automotive mentor, Gaynor Hangen and I put it together over a period of three months just before going to driver school that season. That last statement is sort of the truth. I would put something together and Gaynor would patiently say I did a pretty good job, but let's take it apart and put it back together again a little bit differently. The car actually ran and could get up to maybe 70 MPH on the track, but after about three laps it wouldn't be able to go 50 MPH. This happened at the first three regional races I entered. I could not figure out why the engine would lose power. But at that third race, a Porsche guy by the name of Duncan Black came to me in the pits after a practice session and told me how to get that speed back. He had lapped me so many times that he saw smoke coming from the drum brakes. He taught me a very helpful lesson.\nBack then, we bought drum brake lining on a roll. After every race weekend we would drill out the rivets on the linings, remove the brake material, cut new linings to length and rivet them back on. After assembly, I would adjust all the brakes exactly as I would on a street car. Duncan told me the right race way was to adjust the new linings full loose, so that you had almost no pedal. Then, in a few laps they would swell up and you would have full pedal. Nothing was wrong with my engine. It was the brakes swelling up and jamming the drums. By the way, Mr. Black always arrived at a track with his Porsche ready to go, and almost never had to make any kind of adjustments during the weekend.\nMaybe some other Porsche names will come to mind later.", "likes": 47, "timestamp": 1505175098, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1736717, "authorName": "Scottwl38", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/scottwl38/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze I just want you to put your 500D up for auction. Keep an unreasonably high reserve on it, but regale us with stories of speed related issues in the Fiat! This has to be one of the most entertaining auctions in a while.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505178152, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1736887, "authorName": "TheMBOD", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thembod/", "bidAmount": 68000, "content": "$68,000 bid placed by TheMBOD", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505186757, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1737002, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze(The Seller):Thank you for regaling us with another fascinating nighttime story from those golden years. Good night.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505198994, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1737082, "authorName": "David_P", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/david_p/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Boy, am I glad I checked back in on the comments for this car.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1505219501, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1737279, "authorName": "mthusiast", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mthusiast/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The JC Penney battery was a nice touch", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505226483, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738168, "authorName": "sausalito_cynic", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sausalito_cynic/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "BaT folks and especially @Ed L -- Thought you'd like to know that the BHCC says its 365 2+2 has \"Brevettato\" carburetors.\nCheers, Saus", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505249726, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738444, "authorName": "Alex", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/alex/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze Curiosity, color of your 500D ? I'm just restoring one :-)", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505259334, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738458, "authorName": "HAPPY", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/happy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ok not in the same league but the Daytona barn find just sold for over $2mil.\r\n\r\nCars can sell as fully restored at auctions but that doesn't mean they are done correctly. Yes, you will spend more doing an original like this but in the end with diligent management of the project you will have the car built as YOU want it. Besides that prices always rise with benchmark cars.\r\n\r\nThis is a nicely worn Ca car and is worth every penny. When I moved to the West I was just blown away at the difference in how car are preserved. I had plenty shipped East but you soon realize almost every car is just as well preserved. Besides the roads people in CA actually use their garages daily. \r\n\r\nGreat car, great story and great seller. If you want this model Ferrari this is it. Go through the mechanicals maybe all just needs a freshening. Add $75k and enjoy!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505260476, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738517, "authorName": "David_P", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/david_p/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This reminds me of a totally unrestored LWB 250GT I saw at a local show recently - the owner had been driving the heck out of it for decades. In my dreams this car would require the level of mechanical freshinening that does not require an engine or trans rebuild - just a very careful resuscitation - new tires, brakes, maybe shocks, make sure the electrical is Ok. Put sheepskins on the seats, wash and vacuum everything, leave the cosmetics exactly as they are, rust an all. Then drive, drive, drive. At the highest speeds possible, in the spirit of the seller's history. It's so livpberating to not care about cosmetics. Even this is a $$$ dream, but a Ferrari-loving man can dream, can't he?", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505264011, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738541, "authorName": "collector60", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/collector60/", "bidAmount": 68500, "content": "$68,500 bid placed by collector60", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505265577, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1738590, "authorName": "RevSome", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/revsome/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Well, it took me hours to enjoy a fairly leisurely 206 comments so far. Just great, enjoyable stories and comments. \nThe sellers and others' stories are so heartwarming I think they have added to the bidding and justly so.\nIt would be so great to see a buyer do a nice, driveable, or even high-end restoration on this car, and then offer the 45-years owner a good last blast in the drivers' seat. For old times sake.\nWonderful auction. This is BaT at its' finest.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505267674, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738605, "authorName": "sausalito_cynic", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sausalito_cynic/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"This is BaT at its\u2019 finest.\" Indeed it is.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1505268107, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738616, "authorName": "Crazyas00", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crazyas00/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I third @RevSome!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505269097, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738672, "authorName": "spiritoflegend", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/spiritoflegend/", "bidAmount": 69000, "content": "$69,000 bid placed by spiritoflegend", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505272536, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1738678, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "After catching up on the comments today, it hits me. \n\nOwning a house is a money pit proposition, even if you \"buy it right.\" Taxes, utilities, upkeep, mortgage interest. Tack on some renovations (which, like restorations, always reveal more crap than you planned on). Add it all up. How many people actually walk away with a profit? \n\nI'm the first one to look for a bargain, but sometimes what tugs at the heart, what makes you feel good, can't be measured in dollars - and this car will indeed be \"worth it\" to the new owner. \n\n@1qze, one hell of an enjoyable auction - please stay with us through others. The camaraderie will be as priceless as your stories.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1505273396, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738720, "authorName": "TheMBOD", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thembod/", "bidAmount": 69500, "content": "$69,500 bid placed by TheMBOD", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505276238, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1738724, "authorName": "ar1950", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ar1950/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Stratos makes a good point. We tend to spend what we are able to (blood, sweat, tears or money) in order to satisfy our passions. Most entertaining auction on this one. Thanks much to @1qze for listing this one and for the back stories.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505276790, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738739, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@sausalito cynic : \"\u2014 Thought you\u2019d like to know that the BHCC says its 365 2+2 has \u201cBrevettato\u201d carburetors.\"\n\nHilarious. I'll bet it has special Ruote wheels, too.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505278103, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738806, "authorName": "OnerousEthic", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/onerousethic/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I was once told that Ferrari engines have very low internal friction (and rev faster) because they use roller/needle bearings where others use friction bearings. Is that true?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505293534, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738842, "authorName": "TheMBOD", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thembod/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "My first ever attempt at a classic ferrari restoration project. Really went out on a limb and jumped into bidding on this one. If I end up with this \"queen mother\" I hope I don't lose my shirt!", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505303046, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738877, "authorName": "CLEAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/cleah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Why do I keep reading in this thread that all you need to do to this car is give it a quick once over and you can drive the wheels off of it? Actually yes, the wheels WILL fall off. Have you guys ever actually been around an old, clapped out car like this? One thing leads to a hundred, it will never work right, and it will be absolutely awful to drive (if it actually ever moves under its own power). Better yet, buy a flatbed, load this abused thing on it, and drive around. You\u2019ll need the flatbed anyway and having it pre-loaded will save you the trouble. The only thing that will save this, and give it its dignity back, is a full restoration.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505306953, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738883, "authorName": "lovecars", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lovecars/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Seller - you are a great story-teller. I hope that you are writing a memoir. It should be included with the sale of this car, along with some period photos.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1505307016, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738923, "authorName": "David_P", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/david_p/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@CLEAH, I don't think I've seen anybody say that. And the seller has been very clear that it will require a ton of work. I can speak only for myself, but in my *dreams* that's all it needs :)", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505308325, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738924, "authorName": "tferrer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tferrer/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Screw the hyped up hollywood types. Seinfeld needs to take this seller to coffee!", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1505308370, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738929, "authorName": "David_P", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/david_p/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@OnerousEthic, Ferrari engines use conventional bearings for the rods and crank. Only engine that comes immediately to mind that used roller bearings on the crank was the Porsche 4-cam engine in the 50s, though I'm sure there were others.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505308479, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738955, "authorName": "Gulf-Porsche_21", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gulf-porsche_21/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Extremely cool submission, fascinating stories from seller. His stories are so full of a zest for life, it makes my life seem dull and boring by comparison. If I had deeper pockets and fewer cars, I would we tempted to enter the bidding. That said, I concur with previous posts there's still much about this Ferrari which we don't know. ?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505309209, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738957, "authorName": "CLEAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/cleah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@David P, a surprising number of posts say just that, including your own from earlier today, which I apparently misread.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505309399, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738965, "authorName": "jcwconsult", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jcwconsult/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "That will be an enormous project if properly done. That said, Karl Ludvigsen called it \"The Magnificent GT\" in his contemporary road test of the new model - an evaluation that I found to be true when I owned 12451 for 8 years and 14,000 miles of driving.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505309514, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1738999, "authorName": "somenicestuff", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/somenicestuff/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "whatever this car \"fetches\", it will be fair market, NOW.\nand in 3 or 6 or 12 years from now, we'll ALL wish we didn't make so many inane and superficially pointless comments and \"digs\" regarding what are common issues and understandings when buying a rare, apppreciating asset that provides such an immense object of passion, desire and pride of ownership. the new owner will pay \"what it takes\", while the petty google earth commentators, among many others, will jump to the next neatest greatest awesomest B.a.T. listing to harangue that seller equally regarding why the photos show the car outside, when seller states that car has been kept inside. really? \nwow.\nbest wishes to this seller, and congrats to the buyer on a great, well loved, hard driven piece of automotive history, art - and a wonderful challenge.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505310930, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739034, "authorName": "TheMBOD", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thembod/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@CLEAH and a full restoration she will get, if I end up with it. I am going in on it w/ a guy who restores porches and e type jags for a living. Will be, I am expecting, frustrating as hell at times but will be fun, if we can pull it off!", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505311930, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739050, "authorName": "CLEAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/cleah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@TheMBOD, I hope you get it, and that you have fun with the restoration. With my own Healey, I found that the combination of my own work, as well as that of an experienced pro, resulted in a show quality car that has enough of my effort, blood, sweat and tears into it that I can lay claim to at least some of the result, beyond writing checks!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505312502, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739057, "authorName": "yama", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/yama/", "bidAmount": 70000, "content": "$70,000 bid placed by yama", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505312629, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739093, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@TheMBOD: If you are able to get it, I hope you'll share your restoration progress in pictures on BaT. I'm sure with all the interest this car has brought, the BaT staff would consider a series with occasional updates on the restoration.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1505313823, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739119, "authorName": "rmtechno", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rmtechno/", "bidAmount": 71000, "content": "$71,000 bid placed by rmtechno", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505314683, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739161, "authorName": "CanhaMan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/canhaman/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I don't understand, or can't comprehend--why anyone would let a car this popular deteriorate into such a condition? ?", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1505315904, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739173, "authorName": "lamachina", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lamachina/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm no expert but I don't think any Ferrari engine -- at least in the production cars -- ever used a roller bearing or any non-plain bearing crank. The only \"production\" engines that I can think of that used roller bearing cranks are the 4-cylinder DOHC Porsche 356 Carrera 2 engines and the old bevel drive Ducati twins. And what an awesome sound they make!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505316714, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739205, "authorName": "casabianca", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/casabianca/", "bidAmount": 71500, "content": "$71,500 bid placed by casabianca", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505317686, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739256, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@TheMBOD, I hope you get it. As the basis for a restoration project, this looks to be a pretty good car. It's complete, and 365GTs are well-built, solid cars. They were built by Pininfarina, unlike the 2-seat models, and I think the build quality is superior. It's also why you don't see as much rust on 365GTs as, say, a Daytona, and when there is rust (as on this car), it's not generally fatal. Parts are really quite available, if pricey.\n\nI wouldn't plan on it making a lot of money on this, but once you're done you will have a wonderful car, especially for long distance cruising! These cars can do 120mph all day long, without breaking a sweat (or making the driver break a sweat!). I've done 1,000 miles or more in a day in mine quite comfortably.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505319298, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739271, "authorName": "johanwarner", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/johanwarner/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Having done a ground up restoration on a MB 300SL and a partial restoration on a Ferrari 250 PF Cab, I can tell you there is no profit in this car even if you got the car for free. For best valuation, it needs to be done with a proven and reputable restorer (expensive) and not in someone's backyard. Good luck. You're going to have a fun, intimidating and frustrating time. Keep your fingers crossed on the market value of these cars.\nI concur with a previous comment. How in the world could you ever let this car get to this condition-unbelievable.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505319835, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739275, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 72000, "content": "$72,000 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505320069, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739272, "authorName": "jas280z", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jas280z/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Less than 3 hours to go. I think most of us will be shocked if this one doesn't sell.\n\nShould be a fun and rewarding project for whomever the winning bidder is. Compared to this Bat featured Ferrari below, the restoration should be a cake-walk!\n\nhttps://bringatrailer.com/2014/05/04/see-where-they-rust-1973-ferrari-246gt-dino/\n\n\n\nShould be cheaper to get the car too, that Dino sold for 132K pounds.\n\nhttps://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1973-ferrari-dino-barn-find%20\n\n\n\nGood luck to all!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505320103, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739276, "authorName": "collector60", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/collector60/", "bidAmount": 72500, "content": "$72,500 bid placed by collector60", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505320107, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739280, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 73000, "content": "$73,000 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505320145, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739293, "authorName": "Arekusan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/arekusan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To those who ask \"How in the world could you ever let this car get to this condition?,\" please keep in mind this car is 48 years old and it is still with us. You can't say that about most cars from 1969.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1505320663, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739313, "authorName": "user123", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/user123/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Sat next to the gentleman who bought this year and model at the Gooding Auction in August, restored and in great condition. I just spoke with him about driving it and he says it puts a smile on his face the whole time. Its an old-world F car, though not my favorite lines, and I love any 12 mated to manual.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505321368, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739319, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Good morning, sort of.\nI woke up this morning with an uneasy feeling in my stomach. You know that feeling when you meet a pretty girl, and you're on your first date. Sure. But this is about the other one. You know, when in a couple of hours you're going to have that awkward talk about breaking up. But just before that moment, there is doubt. Do I really want to do this? Will I be sorry later? Who will be the new boyfriend enjoying her company?\nThat's how I feel. \nRelationships with cars and women are complicated!", "likes": 37, "timestamp": 1505321480, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739332, "authorName": "Mcgregor", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mcgregor/", "bidAmount": 73500, "content": "$73,500 bid placed by Mcgregor", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505321954, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739333, "authorName": "thevegasdudeabides", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thevegasdudeabides/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "1qze\n\nHear hear, volumes spoken in those last 7 words!!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505322011, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739336, "authorName": "collector60", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/collector60/", "bidAmount": 75000, "content": "$75,000 bid placed by collector60", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505322052, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739342, "authorName": "honda1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/honda1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Popcorn is ready, lets go!\nThanks to the seller for the auction and wonderful stories.\nGood luck to the new owner!!", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505322131, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739354, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To all those folks who are annoyed at the \"Queen mum\" moniker attached to the 365GT 2+2:\nEnzo Ferrari never intended to build a conventional car. So Enzo Ferrari never built a conventional car. He built every car, every iteration , with the idea that it would be the fastest race car at the moment. Or it would be the fastest street car at the moment. He wanted a four-seater. So he built this one. \nAt the time, it was what he planned. So it wasn't intended to be \"dated\" when it was new. It was a Ferrari.\nHow the \"Queen mum\" label got attached, I don't know. But I can tell you this: When she gets over 90 MPH, the vibrations change, the sounds change, and she shows what she is..............no \"Queen mum\".\nDriving her at speed is like dancing with a Princess.", "likes": 19, "timestamp": 1505322468, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739360, "authorName": "ICONIC_CLASSICS", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/iconic_classics/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "was car running at some time in past 2-3 years ??", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505322647, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739362, "authorName": "ciza72", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ciza72/", "bidAmount": 80000, "content": "$80,000 bid placed by ciza72", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505322678, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739373, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To ICONIC CLASSICS:\nNo. The car has not run in over 30 years.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1505322941, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739378, "authorName": "JPSO86", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jpso86/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "One does not \"Let\" or \"Allow\" a car to deteriorate.\nThey don't ask your permission.\nThey do it on their own.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1505323072, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739386, "authorName": "JPSO86", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jpso86/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I read below that one of the Bidders is going in on this car with a \"Guy who restores \"Porches\"\".....\nI guess they will have the wood dash well in hand.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505323263, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739391, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 80500, "content": "$80,500 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505323339, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739428, "authorName": "Ezmoni", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ezmoni/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Maybe this will help some poor naive bidder, 200k will not I repeat NOT turn this into a good car. None of my business, I am just saying.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505324118, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739453, "authorName": "Mcgregor", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mcgregor/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Being the second owner would you happen to have the original tool roll and owner manual, thanks", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505324707, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739481, "authorName": "CarsGo", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/carsgo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This listing is a very good example of the romanticism that often permeates our hobby. The (often overwhelming) desire to find something precious and save it. And to save a Ferrari that is forlorn from a seller with a wonderful backstory, well, that can very easily destroy any semblance of logic.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505325372, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739490, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@CarsGo \n\nCars, romance, logic. Kind of sounds like an SAT question: \"Which one of the following is not like the rest?\"", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1505325628, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739501, "authorName": "some_dude", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/some_dude/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "All Ferraris of this era have an air of romance about them. It's the era, what the cars were designed to do, and what they did. This car, for instance, was sold new to a well-known Italian glove maker (if my records are correct). Imagine the times this car had, commuting between Naples and Milan! Then to @1qze, who added his own stories and experiences to the car. So in it's own unique way, it's a little bit of history.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505325769, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739531, "authorName": "Dirt_Track_Doug", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dirt_track_doug/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "the poor thing....", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505326301, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739536, "authorName": "Paul_Harvey", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/paul_harvey/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "An orignal car that has never been 'restored' will always be worth more over time than a car restored back in the days when they were just cars, not collector items. If this car isn't worth restoring now then imagine what it looked like as a restoration project 30 years ago!\nWith this car you know pretty much exactly what you are getting - one man's fun rather than one man's bodges and mistakes.\nIt may not have lived in a barn, but it has the same magic and mystery about it for good reasons. They are only original once.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505326350, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739541, "authorName": "Mcgregor", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mcgregor/", "bidAmount": 81000, "content": "$81,000 bid placed by Mcgregor", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326512, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739548, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 81500, "content": "$81,500 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326673, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739551, "authorName": "Mcgregor", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mcgregor/", "bidAmount": 82000, "content": "$82,000 bid placed by Mcgregor", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326705, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739552, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 82500, "content": "$82,500 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326728, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739555, "authorName": "Mcgregor", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mcgregor/", "bidAmount": 83000, "content": "$83,000 bid placed by Mcgregor", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326751, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739557, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 83500, "content": "$83,500 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326787, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739559, "authorName": "ICONIC_CLASSICS", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/iconic_classics/", "bidAmount": 84000, "content": "$84,000 bid placed by ICONIC CLASSICS", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326809, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739561, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 84500, "content": "$84,500 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326826, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739562, "authorName": "beNGK", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bengk/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "you guys do realize that there's 49 minutes left here, right ?", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505326837, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739564, "authorName": "collector60", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/collector60/", "bidAmount": 90000, "content": "$90,000 bid placed by collector60", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326865, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739566, "authorName": "TFTubist", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tftubist/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@beNGK shhhh... SHHH!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505326871, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739567, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 90500, "content": "$90,500 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326888, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739568, "authorName": "Crazyas00", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crazyas00/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Getting started early here. I'd better go get the laundry, hit the bathroom, get refreshments and drinks ready NOW!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505326890, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739569, "authorName": "AutoFocused", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/autofocused/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hahahahahaha @bengk", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505326894, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739573, "authorName": "collector60", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/collector60/", "bidAmount": 95000, "content": "$95,000 bid placed by collector60", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505326979, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739575, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "To all those folks who wonder why the car is in this condition:\nWhen we are born, each and every one of us, enter into a sort of personal and unique tunnel of life where we are encapsulated by the events and circumstances that determine who we are and what we do. Things happen, good and bad; grief, sorrow, and happiness. We have interests and activities that occupy certain stages of our life. New challenges arise. Old interests take a back seat.\nFor me... family, community involvement, and work became more important as time went on. This car was not the only thing that was put aside. Time seems to dictate what you can do. I have had dozens of projects and interests that ran their course. \nHaving been blessed with an enjoyable career working for a number of corporations, I chose to see if I could start a business to create jobs. Fortunately, I proudly did provide a livelihood for dozens of people. When you hear people say that that running your own business is a 24 hour job, there is truth in that.\nAnyway, I paid no attention to the car, but a lot of attention to so many other things, that \"time\" got in the way. \nAnd here I am, approaching the end of the tunnel, with so much more to do. Hopefully, whoever unites with the car will be closer to the entrance of their tunnel; for the benefit of this car.", "likes": 91, "timestamp": 1505326997, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739579, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 95500, "content": "$95,500 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505327038, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739586, "authorName": "ICONIC_CLASSICS", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/iconic_classics/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "i never received any comment about engine being locked up ??", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505327115, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739588, "authorName": "JeffC", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jeffc/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@ 1qze , Truth!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505327219, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739595, "authorName": "eima77", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/eima77/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Very nice story from Seller! You have your priorities in check, I admire that!\nVery Best to You with Auction!!!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505327469, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739597, "authorName": "ICONIC_CLASSICS", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/iconic_classics/", "bidAmount": 96000, "content": "$96,000 bid placed by ICONIC CLASSICS", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505327543, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739601, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 96500, "content": "$96,500 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505327569, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739612, "authorName": "collector60", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/collector60/", "bidAmount": 100000, "content": "$100,000 bid placed by collector60", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505327826, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739620, "authorName": "AutoFocused", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/autofocused/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Boomshakalaka", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505327911, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739624, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 101000, "content": "$101,000 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505328050, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739629, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "There is only one thing I AM sure of and that is\u2026 When the seller bought this car 45 years ago, never in his WILDEST dreams could he ever have imagined it would one day be worth this kind of money.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505328124, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739646, "authorName": "carlovers", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/carlovers/", "bidAmount": 105000, "content": "$105,000 bid placed by carlovers", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505328549, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739640, "authorName": "Catimann", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/catimann/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The key is probably up on a shelf or small spot in the garage.\nI bet his return on investment is worth the plate fees.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505328567, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739650, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 106000, "content": "$106,000 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505328573, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739652, "authorName": "Jwalkings", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jwalkings/", "bidAmount": 107000, "content": "$107,000 bid placed by Jwalkings", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505328596, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739655, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 108000, "content": "$108,000 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505328616, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739661, "authorName": "Catimann", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/catimann/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "That was timing, I just typed it as the extra $22000 was tossed on the table.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505328753, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739663, "authorName": "Rocketman", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rocketman/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Holy Camoly.... I did myself a favor and Googled what this car would look like fully restored, and now I sort of get it\u2026 But wow.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505328781, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739673, "authorName": "Jperell", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jperell/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze - It is very nice to see that your priorities are straight. I just read your explanation and can totally relate. The best to you in your endeavors and GLWTA!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505328852, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739676, "authorName": "collector60", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/collector60/", "bidAmount": 110000, "content": "$110,000 bid placed by collector60", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505328885, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739679, "authorName": "mercedes300se", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mercedes300se/", "bidAmount": 111000, "content": "$111,000 bid placed by mercedes300se", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505328914, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739681, "authorName": "carlovers", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/carlovers/", "bidAmount": 120000, "content": "$120,000 bid placed by carlovers", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505328952, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739694, "authorName": "Catimann", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/catimann/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It's all about the \"I want this now\" factor. Not sure about online but in real life it takes on a feeling of competition and if you get caught up in that and have the funds, well.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505329070, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739697, "authorName": "Jwalkings", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jwalkings/", "bidAmount": 121000, "content": "$121,000 bid placed by Jwalkings", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505329081, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739675, "authorName": "lamachina", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lamachina/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wow. Don't get me wrong -- I am extremely happy this car has been bid to this level already. However, if memory serves, wasn't there another 365 GT 2+2 a couple of months ago on BaT - a red one - that wasn't perfect (three low compression cylinders, as I recall) but miles ahead of this car as one goes down the restoration road. I believe that car's bidding stalled at $105k or so and was RNM. Again, this was only a couple of months ago. I don't know exactly to what this car's appeal can be attributed but I would guess the popularity, Dutch uncle-ish, oracle/sage nature of its owner is a very large part of it. I love Ferraris, I love the 365 GT 2+2 and I'm thrilled that this car is getting so much love and feel assured it will be restored and enjoyed in the future. As it should be. Best of luck to all.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505329152, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739710, "authorName": "penp", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/penp/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "$20 says the engine starts up with the carbs rebuilt and a proper cylinder oiling regimen. (ok... and repairing the distributor innards and plug wires as needed...) (and using a aux fuel tank...) (and maybe dremel off any rust on the fuse connections...) Main point: these engines are incredibly stout \u2013 if it ran well when it was parked, I think the odds are good. Superformance in UK has tons of parts, as do several other US based companies. There's no reason that these have to be restored in the official Ferrari restoration universe. If you're willing to be the \"general contractor\", you could sub out repairs to great shops (not the best shops), and not spend anywhere near $200K (which is insane \u2013 don't get me wrong \u2013 you could spend that much easily --- but you don't have have to). Especially if the buyer knows how to work a socket set and has his own lift. Find a paint shop, chrome shop, carpeting/seats interior shop, a wiring guy, a gas tank restoration place, all four corners rebuilt with new bushings, new set of shocks (let the pro do that mess). And most important, find a great, trustworthy independent Ferrari shop to help \u2013 one that does not only work on million dollar cars or Pebble/Reunion support. They're out there, at least in Southern California. So maybe the buyer's location and understanding of his local resources would be critical (but somehow I don't think the current bidders are not aware of this issue). BTW, the red 365 was abused, this was neglected, there is a big difference. \n\nOr.....if you've got a bunch of money and want it perfect, go to town!", "likes": 14, "timestamp": 1505329336, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739712, "authorName": "honda1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/honda1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Rocketman\nYes, these cars are beautiful!", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505329379, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739716, "authorName": "carlovers", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/carlovers/", "bidAmount": 130000, "content": "$130,000 bid placed by carlovers", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505329399, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1739718, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze \n\nHopefully the \"so much more to do\" part of the tunnel includes writing, because you're damned good at it.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1505329437, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739728, "authorName": "lamachina", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lamachina/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Ali G - Indeed. Other forces at work here.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505329511, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739748, "authorName": "Ali_G", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ali_g/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wow! Somebody pulled my link to a better car on offer....", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505329640, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739753, "authorName": "AutoFocused", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/autofocused/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@ali G seen that", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505329676, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739754, "authorName": "beNGK", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bengk/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Ali G & @lamachina :\n\nyou are aware of the abysmal reputation which BHCC has, correct ? nothing about their inventory is to be believed.\n\nalso, posting a link to another car this late in the auction is seriously bad form, appropriate that BaT pulled your post.", "likes": 27, "timestamp": 1505329679, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739756, "authorName": "bimmergas", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bimmergas/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm counting 4 individuals bidding over $100k...BaT does attract people with good taste for cars and deep pockets...", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505329689, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739757, "authorName": "Crazyas00", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crazyas00/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "BTW: The Bentley has some action going.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505329695, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739759, "authorName": "doublegarage", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/doublegarage/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@penp Thank you, agreed, some common sense being applied at last - all these commenters accusing people of being illogical....", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505329700, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739760, "authorName": "Ali_G", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ali_g/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Beverly Hills Car club has one on offer for $208,500 thats loads better.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505329704, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739762, "authorName": "SM_Minis", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sm_minis/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@penp - I agree with the approach you propose but odds are it won't be taken.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505329707, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739774, "authorName": "Ali_G", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ali_g/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@bNGK yes, I know from both inside and out.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505329766, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739778, "authorName": "carlovers", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/carlovers/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Sold on 9/13/17 for $130,000 to carlovers", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505329800, "type": "bat-bid-reserve"}, {"id": 1739780, "authorName": "Super7Driver", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/super7driver/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "May she roar again, or at least do burnouts", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505329806, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739785, "authorName": "slofut", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/slofut/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Well bought I think!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505329836, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739786, "authorName": "user123", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/user123/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Congratulations...to the seller.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505329839, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739772, "authorName": "Stevarino", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stevarino/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze - Congrats on clearly having your priorities straight. Yours is a compelling story, I'm certain. GLWTS!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505329849, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739787, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "We're all sharing a bittersweet moment for the seller and optimism for the buyer.", "likes": 13, "timestamp": 1505329850, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739790, "authorName": "penp", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/penp/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Recall every movie and TV show you've seen that had the cheapo used car lot, with all their cliched tricks and BS, and a newly purchased car sputtering out 10 miles away from the dealership (thus voiding the 10 mile warranty). Then think of BHCC....", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505329874, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739794, "authorName": "Catimann", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/catimann/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "And the seller didn't want to sell it.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505329903, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739796, "authorName": "SM_Minis", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sm_minis/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Congrats to @carlovers. And @1qze can now install some proper lighting in the tunnel. May the endeavors of both continue on to greater success!", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505329915, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739800, "authorName": "bimmergas", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bimmergas/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@carlovers - Don't forget to BaT when you pick-up your new possession... Nicely done!", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505329928, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739803, "authorName": "Ali_G", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ali_g/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Re BHCC I know the people over there. Yes, its buyer beware, but do your homework and you can get good deals on decent cars there.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505329944, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739811, "authorName": "SM_Minis", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sm_minis/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Ali G - We got it. You can stop now.", "likes": 21, "timestamp": 1505330018, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739817, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@SM Minis You took the words right off my keypad.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505330051, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739821, "authorName": "jagman38", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jagman38/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I agree with @bimmergas. @carlovers, please submit a follow up to BaT. Would love to see the continuation of this story.", "likes": 14, "timestamp": 1505330080, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739823, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Amazing result. I am happy for the seller, buyer AND for me because I can finally get back to work! This has cost me a fortune in lost billable hours following this auction. Exciting stuff. I live in the same town as the seller so have been rooting for the home team. WELL SOLD!", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505330093, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739846, "authorName": "Ali_G", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ali_g/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I do know the people at BHCC.\n\nI would buy from them again.\n\nIf you arent versed in what you are looking at then the likelihood is that you will get burned.\n\nConversely, point out problems and they will readily negotiate the price.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505330243, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739828, "authorName": "penp", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/penp/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "So... AliG... you \"know some of the people\" over at BHCC and you toss in a link to a competing car within a few minutes of the auction's end? And that was your first post in this thread?!! What's that called exactly?", "likes": 25, "timestamp": 1505330247, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739852, "authorName": "Bigus", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigus/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Nice straight , honest Ferrari V12 , never messed with and a rare beast, well bought , I hope the buyer gets a bonus of great compression across all cylinders when she fires up !", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505330286, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739856, "authorName": "Ali_G", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ali_g/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Thats called \"KNOW YOUR MARKET BEFORE SPLASHING OUT ON SOME OVERPRICED PROJECT\"", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505330327, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739862, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Ali G: And what precisely makes you think the buyers (the MANY of them) don't know their market and you do???", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505330382, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739864, "authorName": "bimmergas", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bimmergas/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@carlovers - Wayne Carini, is that you? I guess we will need to tune in on \"Chasing Classic Cars\" to find out...", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505330391, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739888, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It's not all about the financial aspects of a car. People buy for MANY reasons. There were some on this thread calling this well sold at $56K. Obviously not, since there have been dozens of bidders - REAL ones - not like at the live auctions - ever since. There are many criteria that people use to make a buying decision, and it isn't always about the financial potential or gain. Sometimes a loss on a classic car is simply written off as the \"entertainment value\" and well worth it for the experience.", "likes": 13, "timestamp": 1505330701, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739897, "authorName": "NS400Randy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ns400randy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Carini knows better", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505330812, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1739906, "authorName": "Crazyas00", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crazyas00/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze : Congratulations to you! I hope you are not too sad. I want to Thank-You for being truly a great Seller, and Gentleman during this sale. We have all benefited from your stories, and your wisdom. May the Wind fill your Sails for the Future!", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1505330914, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740051, "authorName": "Check_61", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/check_61/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Honestly, does anyone really consider cost when purchasing a Ferrari? It's like buying painting - personal, emotional, financially unsound, but makes the world much more interesting.\n\nThe only time a Ferrari buyer really tussles over price is when it affects his ability to purchase a different Ferrari.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1505332647, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740072, "authorName": "jas280z", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jas280z/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wow! Congrats to the seller, fantastic price when you consider what one of these in #2 condition goes for. It is also a great sign for the future of this car. The seller is clearly wanting to do a Ferrari project, and it will be a labor of love. If the initial purchase price is any indication, this car will be left wanting for nothing as the restoration progresses.\n\nCongrats to both!!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505332737, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740163, "authorName": "jas280z", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jas280z/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "*buyer wants to do a Ferrari project, not seller.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505333696, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740292, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hello, everyone\nIt's over...I feel like crap. And I feel good, all at the same time; thinking that better days are ahead for her.\nI miss her already. And She's still in the garage. I'm trying to get the courage up to go see her and tell her the news.\n The buyer has asked me to contact them directly. I wonder who it is. \nThis afternoon or evening I intend to come back here and properly thank everyone who participated in this, and to answer some questions that have been asked. \nUntil then, my best regards.\nDick", "likes": 30, "timestamp": 1505334941, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740310, "authorName": "David_P", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/david_p/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Man buys Ferrari, gets lots of joy out of it, parks it, sells it decades later for some multiple of everything he spent on it. Not bad! Based on the attitudes displayed in his comments here, the seller sounds like a helluva person. I hope he gets to take the car for a drive again after it's been gone over.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1505335191, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740321, "authorName": "TRibute", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tribute/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@carlovers. You should ask BaT to provide a special link so we can follow your restoration progress. Everyone following this car will have a great appreciation for the before and after photos.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505335256, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740383, "authorName": "macygray", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/macygray/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Well I didn't think it would go this high, but I have missed most of the automotive good buys I have ever run across during the past number of decades, so what do I know?\n\nIt's a vintage V12 Ferrari, and one of the few that you can double date in or go away for a week without much concern for how many suitcases you can pack. And there will be very few other cars that will sound as good as this one as you drive off. \n\nAs a past vintage V12 Ferrari owner I can certainly understand the desire. I think the buyer will make out OK financially, maybe not next year or next decade, but sometime down the road. And once its restored the cost will fade as the enjoyment increases.\n\n@David P \nWell said!", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505335948, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740406, "authorName": "Omnivore", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/omnivore/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "An idea:\n\nCarlovers gets car on the road\n\n1qze flies in for commemorative burnouts\n\nVideo posted to BaT", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1505336100, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740577, "authorName": "honda1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/honda1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Omnivore\nYES, that would be awesome!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505337547, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740618, "authorName": "austin_alfa", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/austin_alfa/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@BAT.....what's it take to delete someone's account. AliG...I'm looking at you.\n\nReally- BAT is kind of a club and if AliG wants to be in a club, perhaps he should join up with the Beverly Hills Car Club.\n\nI'm tired of Ali's BS", "likes": 23, "timestamp": 1505338054, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740715, "authorName": "OA5599", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/oa5599/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Fantastic read on this thread. \r\n\r\nEnjoyed the seller's comments and story.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505339084, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1740972, "authorName": "Frank_Barrett", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/frank_barrett/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "As the Beach Boys sang, \"She'll do a hundred-and-thirty in the top and floored!\"", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505343356, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1741306, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hi everyone.\nWhat an interesting experience this has been. I'm sure glad I learned about BaT. It's like a car club without a clubhouse; where people go to meet their friends and talk and walk around their newest old car. It's a place full of people who want to be here to criticize, to suggest, to advise, or to otherwise join a discussion of mutual interest.\nI have learned a lot. I appreciate all the comments to help the potential buyers avoid disappointment. There were many folks who encouraged those buyers to think about the fun they could have after eventually bringing the car back to life.\nI really appreciate the hard head-on \"don't even think about buying this car\" bombardments. They helped to keep the discussions on track so that emotions didn't over-ride logic when deciding if this was the right car at the right price and the right reason for the right person.\nNow that the car has been sold, I can tell you that I was truthful about everything. It seems like the major doubt that most people had was whether the engine was seized up or broken. I can assure you that the engine was just fine when it was parked the last time, and that if the buyer does prudently change the fluids and take the proper precautions with an engine that has not been run for such a long time, it will emit a beautiful song the first time it is ignited. Of course it would be prudent to check valve adjustment and carefully inspect the three 2-barrel Weber carburetors.\nI expect that very soon the new owner will be \"Dancing with the Princess\".", "likes": 28, "timestamp": 1505360534, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1741434, "authorName": "Satch_Carlson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/satch_carlson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "There have been a few BaTers whom I have wanted to meet. But the seller of this Ferrari has gone to the top of my list.\n\nAnd he writes in English! You know, with punctuation 'n' stuff.", "likes": 15, "timestamp": 1505378707, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1741649, "authorName": "Rhys_Nolan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rhys_nolan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Now that it's ended, it seems as though a happy result has been the outcome.\r\nHowever, I really do wonder why so many people have to talk of making money out of this hobby. If you go fishing, do you expect to make money from every fish you catch? If you go hunting , do you expect to make money on an hourly rate for every trudge through the wilderness? I think that's a rhetorical question. Cars of this kind are your hobby, passion or whatever. \r\nHaving done a total restoration on an Alpine Berlinette, everything was done by me, sure it's not a Ferrari, but it is possible to do \"stuff\" yourself, not everything has to be farmed to the most expensive shop around, and I have seen some awful stuff from shops reputed to be the best. Expensive does not automatically mean the best.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1505397132, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1741840, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze \n\nDick, I enjoyed reading your posts more than any other seller. Your ability and willingness to share is amazing. Hovering near the 60 mark, it's also been very helpful reading your perspective about the \"tunnel.\" This is a truly great community, as you described it ever so accurately, and you will be missed, so please find a way to let us know how you're doing moving forward. John", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505403852, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1742036, "authorName": "lestonian", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lestonian/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze I imagine this process was difficult and challenging but I commend the choice to pass this on to the next caretaker. I also love that your career choices in being a business owner exceeded the material enjoyment of a car. Many people cannot do that.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505409331, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1742058, "authorName": "Rick", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rick/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Well sold especially when the neighbors said it wouldn't be worth 10 grand.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505409878, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1742067, "authorName": "JayBee2", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jaybee2/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze \nI'm catching up after the fact having missed most of the posts and esp your captivating stories and not 140-character fragments. \u00a0I'm too young to have enjoyed your experiences with ubiquitous unlimited speeds in Europe, but as an Army brat who grew up there I enjoyed selected stretches of speed from the perspective of the right front seat. A more recent memory includes a stretch of Autobahn south of Munich to Austria \u2013 4 guys in suits in a BMW 535i headed for a meeting at 240kph with the driver on his mobile and right seater polishing up his PowerPoint deck \u2013\u00a0yep you just never forget those kinds of occasions. Thank you again for taking time to share some of your life's experiences with the BaT community :)", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505410118, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1742078, "authorName": "jipster43", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jipster43/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "All of the time and money I've spent on computers/phones and corresponding connectivity, and all the frustrations that can be associated with said technology, have been justified by this auction and the stories told here. Thanks to all involved!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505410479, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1742212, "authorName": "tferrer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tferrer/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I commented earlier on Seinfeld taking @1qze for coffee. Seriously. Jerry, if you're \"listening\", please track down this seller through BaT and take him for a cup. I for one would watch that.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1505414577, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1742488, "authorName": "Stratos", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stratos/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I second @tferrer's idea. From another angle, would BaT consider reaching out to both Jerry and Dick to gauge each person's interest? Pretty sure that feature would draw a TON of interest on the site.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505419191, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1742662, "authorName": "GageDave", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gagedave/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze\n\nThanks - I enjoyed reading your story immensely. You're a rare man to let his love go while still in the tunnel. Hopefully you'll live to see the car run again - and bring joy to someone else.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505421612, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1742810, "authorName": "Mr.Jingles", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mr.jingles/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This is the most engaging thread of the year. 1qze is the epitome of class in a seller. Non-Car People will never understand us...", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1505423992, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1742989, "authorName": "Aaron", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/aaron/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wowza, great auction, great comments. Seller; you'll definitely miss the car, I've gone down that road waaaaay too many times to count, but the solace comes from the assurance that the car will be in good hands and [hopefully] restored for future generations to enjoy once all of us are pushing up daisies. \n\nHave thought of just mothballing my 456M and hanging tight but like you in your early years, there's too much enjoyment to be had to just leave a pukka V12 Ferrari dormant!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505426403, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1743505, "authorName": "MrBaez", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mrbaez/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This seller is so classy in the words he chooses. But man, if had a car that I could throw in my garage and let it rot into the ground for 30 some odd years and then sell it for 130,000 dollars. I guess I would manifest myself into Edgar Alan Poe too. Congrats to seller!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505442767, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1743725, "authorName": "shervinator", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shervinator/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "After reading all 327 comments in this auction, I must wholeheartedly agree with everyone that the seller is a class act. I hold a firm belief that it's not the car you buy that's important; it's who you buy it from. That couldn't ring truer in this case.\n\nI second, third, and fourth the suggestion that BaT set up a designated restoration page for this car. That being said, there is still no word from the buyer about any of this \u2013 and their profile shows no comment history. I sincerely hope it's going to a home where its new owner will treat it with all the wild and lively passion that its previous owner of 45 years did. With a history as rich as this one, the car deserves to be brought back to life triumphantly and ceremoniously.\n\nPaging @carlovers...", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505469613, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1744502, "authorName": "Bill_S1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bill_s1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Record flip time! Now at Gullwing...\nhttps://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/1969-ferrari-365gt-2-2-c-3316.htm", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1505502274, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1744505, "authorName": "Dnovack", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dnovack/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "to answer the questions/hopes raised by @shervinator, this car just popped up on the Gullwing Motorcars site with an ask of $167,500. Same photos sans the interior.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505502305, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1744555, "authorName": "Daza", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/daza/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It's terrible and disrespectful to classic car that wealthy Gullwing buy up every classic Ferrari around and individuals don't get a chance to purchase there dream car unless it gets 30k added to it.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505502853, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1744603, "authorName": "BLS", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bls/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Come on @Daza, it's capitalism. Gullwing obviously thought the car was undervalued on here.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505503225, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1744677, "authorName": "shervinator", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shervinator/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "That's honestly so deeply disappointing. What a wicked punch in the heart.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505504075, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1744778, "authorName": "Stimps", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stimps/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I am all for capitalism and recognizing an undervalued asset for possible resale, but come on. At least take your own pictures, clean the car a little, give it a mechanical once over and add some value before you simply flip the damn thing. To not take your own photos at a minimum is highly disrespectful.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1505505706, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1744802, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Presumably, we no longer need to call Jerry Seinfeld or set up a restoration thread to follow the progress of the \u201clucky buyer\u201d...", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505506281, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1745228, "authorName": "honda1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/honda1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "wow, very disappointing", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505511814, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1745368, "authorName": "shervinator", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shervinator/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Stimps\n\nYou nailed it. The way this was done lacks so much integrity, class, and decency. Hopefully, BaT has gained enough of a recognizable presence in the car community (and it has) to fend off any sort of potential buyers from a flipper like this. The one who really lost during all this, however, is the car itself.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505513441, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1745529, "authorName": "Arekusan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/arekusan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Gullwing, whatever we feel about them, bid the highest number. All this tells me is that there are enough stupidly wealthy and lazy buyers that would wander into their showroom and buy this at something over 130k and send it off to a restorer. Who are they? We can all envision the type of buyer that might do that. I doubt it's anyone that frequents this site.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505516221, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1745682, "authorName": "beNGK", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bengk/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "maybe Gullwing will speak up here and provide us an insight into the value they see here for their potential buyer.\n\nThey can afford to wait for them I guess, but it seems to me that the real extra value in this car was the chance to honor the long term owner's story and share theirs with us.\n\nI know there are a lot of armchair experts here, but this seemed to be very well sold, leaving little room for upside, to say anything of upside after a dealer makes their $30k. Gullwing hasn't been in business as long as they have, for nothing, so they may know more than the rest of us. The reality of capitalism is what it is, the milk is spilt, time to move on.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505519973, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1747048, "authorName": "Obnoxio", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/obnoxio/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Just finished reading all the comments. Was really hoping it was Carlini, or Leno, or somebody. Pretty un-exciting ending to a neat story, but maybe the right buyer will still show.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505669104, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1748972, "authorName": "Niteroi", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/niteroi/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "From Bat straight to eBay.. that tells you something...", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505776945, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1749044, "authorName": "scheherazade", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/scheherazade/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I wrote this on Tom Yang's V12 Ferrari site...\r\n\r\nLike most of you, I followed that auction very closely and am on record for saying that the car was \"well sold\" at $55K. The unknowns with that car were, in my (ignorant) estimation, potentially staggering, unless you could do much work yourself. For a car at the bottom of the V12 food tree, the seller should be rejoicing at 100 dB. How do we know that Kumar wasn't the winning bidder from the get go (ie: was this really a quick flip?)?\r\n\r\nAbout two year ago, there was a great t\u00eate-\u00e0-t\u00eate, in Sports Car Market magazine. The car at the center of the controversy was a beat up and abused Porsche Speedster of some ilk. Tatty would have been a gross understatement. However, Jerry Seinfeld bought the car for something like $800K and Stephen Serio gave strong validation to the purchase, while Donald Osborne and Miles Collier ridiculed the purchase opining that it was an abused and neglected fright pig. I would take the Osborne/Collier position on this \"Queen\" that just sold....if the owner really loved that car (as some have so fantasized and he professed) why would he have been so neglectful of the car? In contrast to many (apparently), I think the car carries a history of a poor, irresponsible and remiss owner.\r\n\r\nFor reasons that I don't understand, this fright pig was assigned an inordinate anthropomorphic value. s", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505780227, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1749132, "authorName": "Niteroi", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/niteroi/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I wrote a comment saying the car was immediately posted on eBay, and BaT deleted it. Can you explain why? \nThis thing of BaT deleting whatever comment they don't like is becoming absurd.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1505785308, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1749146, "authorName": "Ed_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ed_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Niteroi : perhaps you might want to refresh your browser...", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1505785950, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1749193, "authorName": "Niteroi", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/niteroi/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Ed L- if you look again you will see there's a 2h gap between posts, not a matter of refreshing.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1505788173, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1749536, "authorName": "beNGK", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bengk/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Niteroi & @Ed L :\n\nBaT will probably never reveal their moderating strategy. we know that multiple hyperlinks will get a post delayed until reviewed in some way.\n\nwe know that posting as a seller about the reserve if not yet met will get the post removed, never to return.\n\ncriticizing BaT harshly & directly will get a post moderated out of existence/off the screen, usually never to return.\n\ncan't definitively confirm, but pretty sure that as long as there is not an hiccup in the submission of a comment, it will flow through to those subscribed to a given post via email, even if the posting never makes it out of moderation or is down-voted out of visibility.\n\nthe eBay listing of the car here is just Gullwing advertising it in multiple places, not someone else beyond them selling it as far as I can tell.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505829576, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1750243, "authorName": "TRibute", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tribute/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Now GZE will have to hold his breath until PK sells his car. Whomever buys the car from Gullwing, it still would be nice if BaT subscribers can follow the restoration. I always found comfort when I sold a car knowing it went to good hands, so let's hope this is the case with this car.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1505849135, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2469071, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Coming up on a year. I see GW has the car marked as \u201cSold.\u201d Would love to know its status, but don\u2019t expect we will.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1535304610, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 5570292, "authorName": "reggiedog", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/reggiedog/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@carlovers any status update you can share on your Ferrari 365 GT 2+2 Project", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1610133526, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 5920698, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hi\r\nI would be pleased to share with you the status of the car, but I have been unable to learn anything about that.\r\nSomeone hinted to me that it went from my house to New York, then on to London, and then on to somewhere near Paris, France. \r\nIt is a shame that no one will tell me where it is, because I found the original key and a few other items that I would like to send to the new owner.\r\nAnd of course I would love to see if it has been restored to it's original beauty.\r\nOh! And I would love to let her breathe the air at 155 MPH again!!......... If the new owner would allow me.\r\nI hope that your question will resonate with someone who can tell us where this little lady is today.\r\nThanks for asking.\r\nBest regards, Dick", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1616125849, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 8718054, "authorName": "John_M", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/john_m/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@1qze This website indicates that the Ferrari was for sale at Gullwing Motors in NY. http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/12109.365.GT2+2.htm\r\nI was not able to find it for sale/or sold on the Gullwing Motor Cars website. Not sure if this helps or confuses matters..", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1654105783, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 8780969, "authorName": "1qze (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/1qze/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Thank you very much for reporting your findings. Gull Wing Motors is the end so far. I was told that they did sell the car. \r\nPerhaps someday we will learn where it went from there, and where it is now.\r\nI still have a few items that I found after the sale to give the current owner; if she or he is interested.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1654819833, "type": "comment"}]