[{"id": 2297693, "authorName": "High_Hope", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/high_hope/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "A numbers-matching engine in a replacement body? With a non original transmission and differential? Is the broadcast sheet from the original car or donor?", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529339432, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297698, "authorName": "danman", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/danman/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I have a few comments that I feel are constructive, but not complimentary....so I'll just keep quiet and see if others agree with me.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1529339481, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297700, "authorName": "Fhawk", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fhawk/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@danman\r\nDitto...", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1529339523, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297712, "authorName": "masernut", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/masernut/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@danman agreed.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1529339901, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297720, "authorName": "clelliott", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/clelliott/", "bidAmount": 7300, "content": "$7,300 bid placed by clelliott", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529340178, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 2297727, "authorName": "clelliott", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/clelliott/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Nothing is numbers matching here. There is no collector value, just a fun ride. High school girlfriend wrecked mine. Got rid of the girlfriend, but still need a \u2018Cuda.", "likes": 14, "timestamp": 1529340380, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297731, "authorName": "DougH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dough/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ok I'll ask it: Shouldn't the motor have been put in the new body, instead of the other way around? These are unibody cars. If the seller took the VIN tag off the junked body, and put it on the new body, in order to thus call the motor \"matching numbers,\" isn't that....ahem....\"incorrect\" to use the kindest term possible? Or am I missing something?", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529340416, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297739, "authorName": "High_Hope", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/high_hope/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It's hard to read but it appears that the VIN on the broadcast sheet matches the close-up photo of the VIN on the padded dashboard.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529340648, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297742, "authorName": "vdavie", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vdavie/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Have to say i'm a bit surprised BaT listed this car. A lot of questions and i'm afraid not many good answers or I should say I hope good answers", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1529340706, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297756, "authorName": "kmerkle (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kmerkle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hello, seller here. To answer DoughH, I purchased the original car but the body was heavily rusted. The original engine from the original body was installed in the \"new\" body. The VIN tag, dash VIN tag, build sheet and engine serial number all match.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529340866, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297758, "authorName": "drm101", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/drm101/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It would be very easy for the seller to NOT have mentioned the re-body. Done properly, no one would ever know. Depending on the condition of the \"new\" body, it's almost certainly better than having the original body cut up and welded together with aftermarket replacement floor panels. My only concern would be where the quarter panel was sourced from. Some of the aftermarket stuff doesn't fit well.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529340913, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297767, "authorName": "Potomacduck", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/potomacduck/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I don't see a problem. These days guys are building 356's out of VIN plates and oil stains. A replacement body wouldn't bother me.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1529341122, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297775, "authorName": "kmerkle (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kmerkle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The differential housing is original. It came with a 3.23:1 ratio limited slip (not sure if that's the correct mopar term) gear set. I replaced it with a 3.55:1 sure grip (posi-trac). It has the rear sway bar that came with the 'Cuda model.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1529341234, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297794, "authorName": "Rossof355", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rossof355/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Another quick flip after only 21 years. ;-)\r\n\r\nNice \u2018Cuda!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529341660, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297795, "authorName": "David_C.", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/david_c.-user/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "'Cuda, wuda, shoulda...", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1529341684, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297798, "authorName": "Jerry_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jerry_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I think that you need to look at this car as a restomod where matching numbers/components don't matter. I believe that these are unibody so I would not think that a replacement body should get the vin number from the other car. Buy it for what it is not what it isn't. It is a nice Cuda that a lot us would like to own.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1529341731, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297815, "authorName": "Rossof355", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rossof355/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I appreciate the seller\u2019s honesty in the presentation of this car. Must be a blast on the track.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529342011, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297829, "authorName": "TDR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tdr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Unless the \"new body\" is actually NEW, E.G., all components/everything is new manufactured, then VIN numbers and tags have been changed from one car to another. \n\nWhile the seller is being honest and upfront about this. It's simply illegal and a felony. MoPars are unit or unibody construction, and you cannot simply apply \" a body\" to an \"old body\", but you can swap/change VIN tags, which is illegal in 50 states. BAT should know better,....\n\nAnd the VIN tag/door sticker and Broadcast sheet don't match because they were removed from one car and transferred to another car. So nothing is numbers matching here. -- Still a nice car that someone may want?", "likes": 15, "timestamp": 1529342562, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297867, "authorName": "OinFL", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/oinfl/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ohhhh, I see this getting pulled real fast...\r\nNO BUENO. VIN=FELONY", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529343613, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297875, "authorName": "ForzaV12", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/forzav12/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The seller certainly needs to clarify exactly what was done. It is simply illegal to transfer the dash/VIN, fender tag,etc to a new body. As others have stated, the Mopar is a unibody and doesn't lend itself to a swap. There are numerous \"hidden\" VINs scattered about these cars and its very unlikely that the seller cut out and switched these to match the dash VIN, paperwork,etc. Not to mention, a fairly serious crime to do so. Swapping the drive train into the new body(and utilizing it's paperwork is the ONLY legal way to do this.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529343759, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297915, "authorName": "2112", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2112/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The VIN should be that of the Donor car Unit Body.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1529344320, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2297979, "authorName": "TDR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tdr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "According to the photos from the seller, the VIN tag on the dash does match the Broadcast sheet, and the VIN door sticker (all Federally mandated items), matches the VIN tag and the Broadcast sheet, so one can only assume from the BAT description, that these items including the engine were transferred from one car to another/different car, and now VIN B473338 resides on a different car number. Even if the \"new body\" title is with the car, VIN numbers have been changed. It's simple, it's illegal.\n\nSo, if this is was done with good intentions or not, it ts a VIN swap/change/,...which to reiterate is a felony and illegal in 50 states....\n\nAnd I'm frankly shocked BAT would so this for $99.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1529345674, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298050, "authorName": "DougH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dough/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This is what I was trying to say in a kindly way earlier. Not meant to hurt the seller, but meant to save him from a lot of grief and potential legal pain later on down the road. \r\n\r\nThe only legal way to do this is to swap the engine/drivetrain from the donor car into the new body, keeping all the VINs from the new body intact. And then, it's not a matching numbers car, but it is legal.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529345965, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298061, "authorName": "kmerkle (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kmerkle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "TDR has correctly described what I did with the car, though I ABSOLUTELY had no intention to deceive, much less do anything illegal. I've asked BAT to clarify the situation.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529346025, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298183, "authorName": "wem2697", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wem2697/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Looks like a pretty cool weekend cruiser, might be nice for going to the Drive In!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529347143, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298189, "authorName": "ACR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/acr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I don't understand why people get bent out of shape about this kind of stufff. If the new shell was legally purchased as a \" part \" like any other \" part \" with a receipt / paperwork then what's the problem. We did this with a car we restored 6-7 years ago. The original body was to rusty to continue with so we found a clean bare shell with nothing on it and purchased it legally then transferred everything from the original car to the new shell. The new shell was used like a replacement part. I don't see this as any different then buying a new shell from someone like Dynacorn", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529347179, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298298, "authorName": "DougH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dough/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "You may not see it as any different, @ACR, but the law most certainly does. It may not make any common sense, but since when has that ever stopped those who make and enforce the laws?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529348261, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298325, "authorName": "High_Hope", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/high_hope/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@ACR, I'd never heard of Dynacorn so I looked them up. From their website, they say that once you've built your replica body \"you\u2019ll be able to see what your home state requires for your Dynacorn-bodied Challenger to be legally titled and registered.\"\r\n\r\nChanging VINs or installing one tag onto another car is illegal, which is one reason people get out of shape. Another reason is that it is fraudulent to sell what may have started out as a six cylinder commuter car as a bona fide collectible with important historical value.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529348506, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298331, "authorName": "ACR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/acr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I can see it being a problem if not done properly but if he purchased the body legally from someone with a receipt then what's wrong with that ? i think IF it's properly documented then it's fine. Bid accordingly. This shouldn't sell for Virgin Unicorn money but I don't have any issues with it and it seems neither has the owner for the last 20+ years.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529348543, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298377, "authorName": "Jerry_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jerry_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If there was a frame from the original car that was used, it would have the vin number for that car. Replacing the sheet metal would then not be a problem. I have a 1940 Ford pickup and it is titled by the number on the frame. The only original parts on it are the frame, cab and doors. I have seen unibody cars completely rebuilt with virtually no original parts. Just put the correct vin documentation back on this Cuda and everything is fine and legal. Hopefully, that documentation still exists. Then let the bidding continue. It is currently stalled by the situation being discussed.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529348967, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298439, "authorName": "Jerry_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jerry_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The seller may have been too forthcoming here. The issue would have never come up without the honesty of the seller. Also it has been on the road for more than 20 years. I doubt that the original vin is still available to be returned to the car. Realistically, no one inspecting the car would ever know of its history unless they were informed of it based on the phots. I imagine that vins get changed a lot more times than we can imagine on vintage vehicles.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1529349596, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298633, "authorName": "TDR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tdr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@ Jerry L , really? Want a law suit? Sell a car with a tampered VIN. \r\n\r\nYou smiply cannot swap Federally registers Vehicle Identification Numbers. It\u2019s the law, it\u2019s illegal, and it\u2019s a felony. Very simple.\r\n\r\nThat being said, it happens every day. That\u2019s why there laws against it.\r\n\r\nThere is no frame on a unibody mopar, the body numbers/VIN are in 6 locations on these cars. We\u2019re they ALL changed? Doubtful.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1529351405, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298638, "authorName": "Koba", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/koba/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "BaT, please don't pull it! I want to bid on this car!!!", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1529351418, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298671, "authorName": "ACR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/acr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "You really should be throwing statements around that imply there is anything illegal here as you nor I have any idea if that's true @TDR", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529351685, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298729, "authorName": "Jerry_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jerry_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "TDR, I'm not condoning the changed vin number. I am just being realistic about this specific car and what led to this discussion. Where are the other vin numbers on this car? Perhaps there is a way to license it under the correct and legal vin number. I think that this discussion which includes the vin number will prove to be highly problematic in selling the car now and in the future.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529352206, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298778, "authorName": "mountainrev", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mountainrev/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm looking for a donor body myself. Mine is rust-free, but starting to deteriorate.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529352652, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298784, "authorName": "Jerry_L", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jerry_l/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It appears that this car has been removed from the website. If you log in to Barnfinds.com now, it is MIA. I think that this is very appropriate given the situation surrounding this car.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529352703, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298883, "authorName": "Sigchuck", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sigchuck/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I think the federal statute dealing with VIN crimes is 18 USC 511. I also think this statute explicitly states the removal, etc., of a VIN in the course of a repair isn't considered a crime to the extent it's necessary to make the repair.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529353824, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2298890, "authorName": "Juicy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/juicy/", "bidAmount": 7400, "content": "$7,400 bid placed by Juicy", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529353901, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 2298960, "authorName": "IB007", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ib007/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hope this helps ... \r\n\r\nhttp://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title18-section511&num=0&edition=prelim", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529354740, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299246, "authorName": "RandyP63", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/randyp63/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I know the gentleman selling this car, and he is as honest as they come. He has been on the fence about selling this for quite awhile. If BaT was concerned, I am sure they would not have accepted the submission.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529357178, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299320, "authorName": "TDR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tdr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "There is no question on my part about the sellers integrity. \n\nIt a simple fact that you can\u2019t just swap selected VIN numbers from car to car. That in its self does not constitute as a repair, nor a rebody.\n\nInsofar as a buyer is concerned, the seller needs to find one that does not care about the legitimacy or legality of the vehicle. Those buyers are out there.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529358775, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299424, "authorName": "clelliott", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/clelliott/", "bidAmount": 7500, "content": "$7,500 bid placed by clelliott", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529360154, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 2299428, "authorName": "DougH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dough/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I think it's important that those who have no idea what they're talking about should refrain from providing advice in this situation. Telling the seller that what he is doing is fine and dandy, even if he's done it unknowingly, is NOT doing him any favors. It...is...a...FACT that taking a VIN plate from one car and installing it on another car is illegal. However much that doesn't bother you as a potential buyer has no bearing on its legality. How unknowing the seller is about the law has no bearing on its legality. Switching VINs is a major no-no, and many people have suffered the consequences for it. \r\n\r\nI don't think you would be successful arguing that swapping the dash and metal frame from one car to the other, or popping off the VIN placard and repopping it onto the other car will be seen as a necessary repair in this or pretty much any other circumstance. And even if it was, the proper procedure would be to apply for a non-conforming VIN from the state (usually via the Highway Patrol), and have THAT number assigned to the restored car. \r\n\r\nWas the seller unknowingly too honest in this situation in revealing this info? That's something personal that only you can answer for yourself. But at this point it is moot.\r\n\r\nIf I were in this situation, I would contact my state's local highway patrol as an anonymous caller, and ask some very pointed questions of someone there who is in the know who can advise what the proper next move should be in order to bring this back to a state of legitimacy. \r\n\r\nTrue, this would likely never have even been the tiniest of problems had the seller not disclosed, and BaT reported, that this is how the switch was done. But now both the seller and buyer are rolling the dice in terms of hoping this doesn't come back to bite them. \r\n\r\nNone of this is said to kill the sale, but to make both buyer and seller aware of the risks they run here.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529360210, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299498, "authorName": "johnsmyth", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/johnsmyth/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The problem here is of course about value. Is it a wonderful car? Yes! Is it worth anywhere near what they want for it? Of course not, because it is a lie. This car needs to bring what ever it will bring for what it is, a cool E Body, but not original, and in the end, isn't that why we are in this hobby, for the love of the car itself? I am afraid the hobby has fallen into the hands of profiteers and swindlers who are only out to make a buck, not promote all things automotive. Hopefully shenanigans like this will help break the back of all this foolishness and prices can come down so us regular guys who only want a great car, and not an investment, can have one.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529361080, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299567, "authorName": "Frank_Garcia", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/frank_garcia/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I wonder who will be happier: the buyer, the seller or the bidder who did not win.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529362268, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299630, "authorName": "2112", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2112/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Johnsmyth Your comments are a bit harsh in light of the fact that the seller hasn't obscured any facts. \n\nChange the VIN back to that of the donor Unit Body and the car will be a nice clone/restomod. \n\nHow that affects value will be determined.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529363746, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299679, "authorName": "johnsmyth", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/johnsmyth/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@2112 I did not say this particular seller was dishonest, far from it, all facts are disclosed. If I did not make my feelings apparent, I apologize. I speak of the countless others who do this to profit through dishonestly, and I think we can all agree on that. Prices are insane for what 30 years ago was a thou sound dollar car, but I am all for Capitalism, the market bears what it will, but I also feel that there is too much hype making these prices unreasonable. I also think some people speculating here are out of their league, many using 401K loopholes, making risky choices. That also artificially inflates the market. People with ample cash to spare who are in and out quickly use these newbies to fill their pockets and when the dam bursts, those newbies will be washed away.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529365257, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299698, "authorName": "vdavie", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vdavie/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Maybe we should all back off the seller. Like was mentioned, he could have not said anything but he did. I think it's pretty clear there is a problem here so let's see how BaT and the seller handle it moving forward.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1529366011, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299763, "authorName": "High_Hope", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/high_hope/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I\u2019m amazed that BaT hasn\u2019t already stepped in.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529368838, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299807, "authorName": "kmerkle (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kmerkle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "BaT requested more documentation photos which, I submitted. I will allow them to determine the correct course of action. Thanks.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1529369937, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299991, "authorName": "Rossof355", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rossof355/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "As always, it seems that those that protest the most have sold zero here, bought zero here, and never bid here.\r\n\r\nNo one is falsely representing this car. I don\u2019t see the problem. If you think you are going to stop 300 unscrupulous operators from misrepresenting a car by bashing this seller, I would advise you to think things through a little more thoroughly.\r\n\r\nI mean, I\u2019m as always a grumpy old fart, but cheese Louise. Come on.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1529375892, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2299992, "authorName": "Rossof355", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rossof355/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This ain\u2019t a Hemi convertible.....", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529375943, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300012, "authorName": "Rossof355", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rossof355/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@DougH who decides where the line is? The 356 guys put a whole new car under a VIN tag and an engine block. Is that illegal? What if you weld together the two good halves of two wrecked bodies? (Yes, I\u2019ve seen it done).\r\n\r\nWho decides when a line has been crossed? You? Me? The VIN police? \r\n\r\nAlso, in commercial construction , if you keep a tiny portion of an existing structure and build a $40 Million building around it, there are numerous advantages, including environmental cleanup ones. (Again, yes I\u2019ve seen it done, by a Fortune 100 Company that I worked for).\r\n\r\nYou either trust someone, or you don\u2019t. If you don\u2019t, then don\u2019t transact with him or her. Easy peasy.\r\n\r\nThink about the art world. Multi-Million Dollar fakes there all the time. Not condoning it, but burning one non-cheating person at the stake changes nothing.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1529376568, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300136, "authorName": "Andyp", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/andyp/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Somehow making this car legal might be easier than finishing the car properly for street use.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529385150, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300160, "authorName": "nofat95", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nofat95/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Flashback.......Remember 2007 when you could watch a Mecum auction and certain rare models of cuda's and Challengers were going for seven figures? Glad those stupid days are over.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529389376, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300386, "authorName": "High_Hope", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/high_hope/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Rossof355, among many problems, one that is particularly troubling is that today's BaT buyer might not be as scrupulous as the OP has been when he in turn decides to sell later. It would suck to be the next buyer who got suckered on a rebodied, supposed 'Cuda with a fake VIN.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529413258, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300615, "authorName": "R70runner", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/r70runner/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This has come up over the years as \u201crebodies\u201d are done. The ultimate problem is....there were two vehicles and now there\u2019s one. The buyer is receiving title to the original car that donated the vin. (And that body ultimately went away) The car, as it exist.... is really, honestly, another vin and title that went where???? Where are those numbers and paperwork? It can\u2019t just disappear without the possibility of another person stepping forward and claiming ownership of the car that was changed to this vin! How would someone defend or prove ownership of the car that once wore different numbers and is recognized by that vin. The restorer isn\u2019t a manufacturer, and has no right to assign vin numbers. The concern is and always will be the vin numbers that went away when the numbers were added... they went somewhere... you want to be the person standing in court trying to explain how this car isn\u2019t really the original vin that went who knows where???", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529419876, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300621, "authorName": "Blofish", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/blofish/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "rebody,,, shudder!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529419963, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300642, "authorName": "DougH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dough/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Rossof355, Let's pull back on the hyperbole. No one is burning anyone at the stake here. No one is accusing the seller of ill intent. I think quite the opposite, as do most others looking at this. It is not up to me to determine where \"to draw the line,\" I'm sure some enterprising automotive lawyer could answer all of your questions quite firmly. This has zero to do with building construction, and zero to do with works of art. This is about taking a VIN from one car and putting it into another. I understand the reasons the seller has done it, and that no ill intent was meant, and he's been very up front and honest about the whole thing. Credit to him for that. But the issues STILL are 1) It is illegal and written into law as a felony, and 2) As a previous poster just mentioned, what happens down the road if a previous owner claims ownership of the car based on the VIN, or worse, holds title to that VIN? An unlikely scenario, but problematic nonetheless, and not something that a future owner should be saddled with.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529420622, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300656, "authorName": "DavidMueller", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/davidmueller/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Here In Colorado This Car Would Be Impounded and They Would Have To Clear Both Vins And Then Would Issue A Colorado State Title Witch Makes The Value Of The Car Not So Valuable Be Careful On This", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529420872, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300737, "authorName": "2112", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2112/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "One thing about any future potential owners is when they plug this VIN into their search engine, this auction will come up. Not sure there will really ever be any further surprises.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529422977, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300843, "authorName": "StingraynSTI", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stingraynsti/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I've been through a \"VIN verification\" in CT... they looked at the windshield VIN, wrote it down, and then let me register the car.\r\n\r\nI'd keep this car forever anyway - may be a good deal on a real nice mopar. What about all those kit cars with \"donor VINs\"?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529425781, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2300908, "authorName": "bringatrailer", "authorUrl": "", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The seller has provided photos of the title and a number of stampings, now viewable in the gallery.\n\nThank you for viewing.\n\n-BaT", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529427182, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301019, "authorName": "Tlauer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tlauer/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Did anyone read that link to 18 USC 511? Removal/alteration if necessary for repair (by the owner or authorized agent) is fine, unless the vehicle or parts are knowingly stolen. \r\n\r\nThis situation seems well within the confines of a 'necessary repair' if the original sheet metal was rusted out. \r\n\r\nI'm glad that cooler heads (like BaT) prevailed.", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1529429929, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301060, "authorName": "MAMilligan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mamilligan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm surprised that nobody nitpicked that the 'Cuda package started in '69 which was the last year for the Formula S. When the Barracuda made the jump to the E body platform in 1970, the 'Cuda became a model and the Formula S was dropped.\r\n\r\nAs for the rebody, it looks like all of the stampings have been updated. The legality of this is probably fine from a federal level and variable by state but once it is done I don't see an issue with registering the car. I guess the restoration shop may be admitting to a crime in some states but I would hope that they know the law where they are. I know in WV it is a real PITA if you build a custom car from the ground up in state but no big deal if you bring a car in from out of state.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529430303, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301105, "authorName": "Assam", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/assam/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@DavidMueller HICTCWBITWHTCBVATWIACSTWMTVOTCNSVBCOT Unfortunately, it does not acronym out to anything :)", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529430842, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301317, "authorName": "Vipervas94", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vipervas94/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Well, I have a 1974 barracuda with valid Vin number, door tag, build sheet, door tag and title but without the original engine and transmission . I decided to clone It as one bad ass 1970 Triple black AAR Cuda. I replaced the taillight panel, fenders, quarters, grill, bumpers, doing away with the 1974 cues. I even built an original T/A block and added a six pack set up for it adding original side exhaust as well. It cost me well over 50K. Even though I looks like a true AAR it\u2019s registered as a 1974 Barracuda. It\u2019s considered a custom build. Even though it\u2019s not true but definitely a panty dropper.? this you can do", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529431981, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301351, "authorName": "bratfink", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bratfink/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Question: If a car is re bodied for restoration due to rust or other damage doesn't that mean it should be titled as salvage? Or is that just when an insurer writes it off?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529432363, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301353, "authorName": "kmerkle (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kmerkle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "BaT suggested that I provide a clarification regarding the body work done on my car. When I purchased the original car in 1996, I was hopeful that it would be in good enough condition to preserve the original body. \r\n\r\nThe assessment from the good folks at Metrolina Collision in Fort Mill, SC was that repairing the extensive rust in the original body would be prohibitively expensive and they recommended that I locate a rust-free body which would replace the original. That is what I did. I reasoned that I was replacing damaged-beyond-repair body parts with serviceable parts and as long as I was forthright and honest about my actions, it wouldn't be a problem if I ever decided to sell the car. The donor car had a dented left quarter panel which was repaired with welded-in replacement. The drivers door was the only original body part that was salvageable and I asked them to mask the VIN sticker when they painted the car. I also had them cut out old stamping in the radiator support and weld it in to the donor car. The paint and body work is top notch according to multiple friends with substantial car experience.\r\n\r\nIf this car had been a AAR, Hemi or 6 pack car it might have been worth the investment to repair the original body. But that is not the case. \r\n\r\nThe car has been legally titled, registered and insured by Hagerty for a number of years now, so hopefully this provides reassurance to bidders and ultimately, the buyer.\r\n\r\nThank you.", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1529432375, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301381, "authorName": "vdavie", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vdavie/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I asked them to mask the VIN sticker when they painted the car. I also had them cut out old stamping in the radiator support and weld it in to the donor car. \r\n\r\nThis part may be problematic.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529432860, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301445, "authorName": "TDR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tdr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The car speaks for it self. The seller, in good faith disclosed what one would need to know to feel comfortable buying the car. It should be driven hard and put away wet.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1529433994, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301546, "authorName": "eddieames", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/eddieames/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If I was going to bid, I would call my insurance company first with all of the details given so far, and see if it insurable. \nTo not disclose the known facts to an insurance company, and have something serious happen such as a collision with injury where a thorough investigation takes place, might be cause for an insurance company not to cover a claim if the VIN change was discovered.\nI believe that all reasonable people here will agree that nothing malicious was intentionally done regarding the VIN change, and that this is a legal debate that needs knowledgeable legal input to put to bed this discussion one way or the other.\nJust saying..", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529435119, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301626, "authorName": "Andyp", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/andyp/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@eddieames\r\n Can't imagine an insurance company would knowingly insure this car? Interesting to find out.\r\nI'd make it a track car, go have fun on the drag strip.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529435909, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2301945, "authorName": "dunno", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dunno/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "When I read \"The car wears a 1972 donor body\" and \"matching-numbers 340cl V8\", I thought \"this is going to be fun\".\r\nI went directly to the comments, and have not been disappointed.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1529439204, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2302293, "authorName": "Sigchuck", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sigchuck/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Guys, what am I missing here? I'm admittedly unfamiliar with Mopar products, but I can tell you on similar vintage GM A-bodies, the VIN plate attaches to the cowl panel, which is frequently rusted and replaced. Are you telling me (notwithstanding the very clear text of 18 USC 511, cited below) that anytime a cowl is replaced and a VIN tag reattached, a crime has been committed? \r\n\r\nIs this a larger, philosophical question: at what point does a car cease to be one car and become another? \r\n\r\nWith respect to state and federal laws being broken and the vehicle being un-insurable, can someone answer the most important question: why, based on what actual legal guidance? \r\n\r\nIs the alleged crime the removal of the VIN from the donor body? The affixing of the rusted body's original VIN to the donor body? I'm but a dumb lawyer, so please help me out with this.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1529442692, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2302395, "authorName": "SvntSvn", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/svntsvn/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Usually when a vehicle is restored and other parts are used with vin stamps from donor cars, it can be done legally with provided receipts / title / bill of sale to the donor car. \r\nSalvage / Recontructed title would have to be issued on the VIN / Chasis that was used to register the car under and insure.\r\nAt least in my state and with the donor car being cut up etc.\r\nAnd usually the body cowl section with vin and cowl tags on most cars constitute the vehicle origin in most municipalities and insurance carriers. \r\nMy question is why wouldn't they use the donor car body vin from the start of this?\r\n\r\nNow that discussion is done... Cuda's are really sweet and this one has potential even given its situation on the restification/status/title/donor car situation", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529443750, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2302807, "authorName": "ForzaV12", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/forzav12/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Reading the comment from the owner reveals that a VIN swap was indeed done. It is mentioned that the door,core support and dash numbers were transferred to the donor car.\r\nThere is at least one other stamped number on an E body that will not match the swapped parts. What was done is illegal, no matter how honest the intent. Will it ever be discovered? Probably not-if it is, you will have a serious problem. A sharp inspector will know how to check for welded in body VINS.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1529449330, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2302837, "authorName": "SvntSvn", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/svntsvn/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Just to note another live auction per BaT\r\nOn the 1947 CJ3a ..\r\n\r\n\"A later CJ3B body was sourced to replace the original. Several in-process photos are available in the gallery\"\r\n\r\nSo I gather once the discussion of a certain vehicle and vin come up it is a different story?\r\nThat Jeep had a body change just like this car.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529449751, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2302945, "authorName": "copcarguy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/copcarguy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Oh boy... What's up with red E-body auctions on here?? At least this seller seems honest.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529453028, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2302980, "authorName": "Sigchuck", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sigchuck/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Again, please direct us to a credible source stating a vin transfer carried out in the course of a restoration is a \u201cserious problem\u201d. If you\u2019re referencing an criminal statutes, the burden of proof is on the prosecuting office to prove the transfer wasn\u2019t done in the course of a legitimate repair. The misinformation here is unreal.", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1529454321, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303104, "authorName": "2112", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2112/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@SvntSvn Isn't the Jeep a body-on-frame build?\r\n\r\nThis is a Unit-body car. Body and frame are one and the same.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529458536, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303211, "authorName": "140rpm", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/140rpm/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The Cuda of KMerkle.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529462278, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303261, "authorName": "Rossof355", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rossof355/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@DougH I\u2019m 100% serious. Are you?\r\n\r\nPlease tell us how what the 356 guys do is legal by your reckoning.\r\n\r\nPlease tell us which VIN is legal to use if you weld the halves of two cars together. I\u2019ll wait.\r\n\r\n I stand by everything that I said. No like? No bid.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529464468, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303266, "authorName": "Rossof355", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rossof355/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@High_Hope and you think that doesn\u2019t happen every day? It\u2019s not the responsibility of this seller to control what the next owner does with the car. Plus, it\u2019s not a 426 convertible fer chrissakes.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529464716, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303277, "authorName": "Rossof355", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rossof355/", "bidAmount": 8000, "content": "$8,000 bid placed by Rossof355", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529465152, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 2303332, "authorName": "Andyp", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/andyp/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"According to the seller, the driveline consists of a numbers-matching 340ci V8\"\n\nExactly what \"matches\" here?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529468493, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303347, "authorName": "Indetrucks", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/indetrucks/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Dang, bunch crybabies in here.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1529469368, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303348, "authorName": "Indetrucks", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/indetrucks/", "bidAmount": 9000, "content": "$9,000 bid placed by Indetrucks", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529469391, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 2303477, "authorName": "High_Hope", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/high_hope/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Rossof355, that it happens every day doesn\u2019t make it right. And while this owner can\u2019t control what the next buyer does, I guarantee somebody in some distant place will wind up with this, or another car like it, thinking it is a numbers matching genuine \u2018Cuda, which, as the owner himself points out, it is not. And what if it were a 426 Hemi Convertible? In your opinion that somehow changes the equation? Would you explain how, exactly?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529491126, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303541, "authorName": "eddieames", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/eddieames/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Keep going guys, \r\nhopefully my chuckles for the day extends for 5 more days..", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529497487, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303626, "authorName": "kmerkle (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kmerkle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Andyp Chrysler engine numbers match the last 2 sets of numbers at the end of the VIN. In this case, the H2B 47338 at the end of the VIN is also stamped on the engine block. It's a \r\n bit difficult to see in the last picture. Hope that clears up your question.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1529500316, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303713, "authorName": "Andyp", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/andyp/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Okie Dokie, this is a matching numbers 1972 Plymouth Cuda. Go get 'em @Indetrucks", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529501971, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2303838, "authorName": "MikeHynes", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mikehynes/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This car is a clone (with some period correct parts) that has title issues. Bid accordingly.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529504837, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304340, "authorName": "ForzaV12", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/forzav12/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@sigchuck, you couldn't be more incorrect. It doesn't matter whether or not it was done \"in the course of a legitimate repair\" or not. It is illegal to cut out and weld in VIN numbers from one vehicle to another. Period. If an officer looks at the secondary vin's and discovers the welds underneath (not difficult to do), the vehicle will be impounded. Ask me how I know? I've impounded quite a few myself for that very thing (mainly Porsche 911s) as VIN swaps were very common during the 80s.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529516060, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304349, "authorName": "Sigchuck", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sigchuck/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@forzav12 if you\u2019ve Impounded them, please let us know under what authority.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529516196, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304387, "authorName": "Sigchuck", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sigchuck/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Federal law is clear that there\u2019s no strict criminal liability for a VIN transfers. If there are state laws to the contrary I\u2019d love to know.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1529516732, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304462, "authorName": "WesTxStoner", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/westxstoner/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This 'Cuda much reminds me of my '74 which my black-sheep brother took off with in the early '80s, never to be seen again. Beyond all the controversy, what would the cost/difficulty be to add a/c to this? It get's hotter here in El Paso than the outraged tempers of BAT commenters...", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1529517799, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304463, "authorName": "Caroholic", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/caroholic/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This is one of the coolest body styles of the '70s. Nice car.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1529517809, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304583, "authorName": "ForzaV12", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/forzav12/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Do your own research, sig.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529519180, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304613, "authorName": "Sigchuck", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sigchuck/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@forzav12, If you read the comments, you\u2019d see I posted the first one that cited actual law. I have done my own research and it\u2019s pretty apparent there\u2019s no law that makes a VIN replacement per se illegal. Done with intent to deceive? Sure. Done in connection with a motor vehicle theft? Sure. Done because the piece of metal it was affixed you needed repair? No.\n\nPerhaps when you, Crockett, and Tubbs were impounding Porsches in the early 80s things were different. Who knows?", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1529519634, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304733, "authorName": "ForzaV12", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/forzav12/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "They weren't different. Still on the books. Still illegal.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529520503, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304765, "authorName": "Sigchuck", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sigchuck/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "But they can\u2019t be cited to? These are serious accusations being levied against an upfront seller by armchair detectives and lawyers. I think if anyone is going to post on this matter, they should do so with a bit more than Internet conjecture.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1529520691, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304829, "authorName": "dennis", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dennis/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@ForzaV12, what was your official capacity when impounding all those cars? Just curious.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529521261, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2304887, "authorName": "Schmat", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/schmat/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I guess I don't understand the pushback. The point is pretty simple. At this point, given the unibody construction, this car is wearing the wrong VIN. The proof of that is that in order to have the current VIN number on the vehicle, the old VIN numbers were physically cut out, and new VIN numbers were physically placed back in. ALL OF THEM. This is exactly the same procedure someone would use to hide a stolen vehicle. Clean VIN replaces the lost VIN. What was that VIN? What kind of body is it? What is that VIN's story? Can that VIN be provided?\r\n\r\nExactly as someone previously stated. Say the removed VIN actually matches a title that I possess. You win the auction for this car, with this VIN. I take you to court and say the car is mine, but my VIN has been removed. Whom do you think the court would/MUST side with?\r\n\r\nBUT, as others have said, the likelihood of an actual government entity ever discovering the issue with this car is slim to none. I know I'll be watching it, and if it stays cheap, good old Ohio is going to issue a clean green title, and I'm going to happily drive it for perhaps the rest of my life. But any buyer should clearly understand that, also as other posters have said, this cars VIN is forever tied to this auction, so its one of the first things that will pop up in any future sale.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529522152, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305068, "authorName": "AutoMatt", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/automatt/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I am new here and it seems the standard procedure is to question the car to keep the price down. Then after it sells cheap, the comments suddenly switch to how low it sold for and that the seller gave it away. Nothing really new as I have seen this at in-person auctions. It is just more concentrated online.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1529524189, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305092, "authorName": "Schmat", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/schmat/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "For those asking for the LAW - as any lawyer would tell you, about quite literally any issue, its a gray area. In cases like we're dealing with here, the law makes it a crime for any person to knowingly remove, tamper with or alter a VIN number. Period. UNLESS, you (a) know the part involved is not stolen AND (b) are a person who repairs such vehicle or part, if the removal, tampering or alteration is REASONABLY NECESSARY for the repair.\r\n\r\nSo, if I were the owner of the car, I would simply argue that it was a reasonably necessary repair, because my body was damaged essentially beyond repair. I think that argument would ultimately fail, because what was performed here was not a repair, it was a replacement of the unibody. At that point, the car would have been a perfectly fine clone vehicle with a non numbers matching engine. No further modification was \"reasonably necessary\". Of course, that assumes that any good-natured prosecutor would actually care, and also is highly dependent on each individual state's laws. MOST states would have some sort of procedure or another to legitimately go through to have everything verified and valid.\r\n\r\nUnfortunately, unless I missed it, we don't know the original VIN number here, or whether that vehicle may have ever been reported stolen. I also don't believe the car ever went through any process to have the swap verified/authenticated by a state entity. So, again, I would buy the car pretty comfortably and not worry about it. But should you be in a strict state, with Sgt. Dick, whose dad ran a body shop, as your lucky draw for a VIN inspection, you could have quite the conundrum on your hands. But the intent of the statute, generally speaking, is theft/fraud prevention, which is only semi-present here (in that the car is probably not actually a 72 Cuda?? - do we know what body it is?)", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529524314, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305167, "authorName": "AutoMatt", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/automatt/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Once in a while you see a rusted out convertible for sale being sold with a donor sedan with good body parts so the convertible can be brought back to life. The point is, this is not unusual. The seller disclosed what he did at his detriment as no matter what, the final price will be lower than if he did not disclose. If it is something you can live with bid on it, otherwise pass and let someone else buy it and enjoy it. Does anyone really think it is going to or should go to the crusher?", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1529524990, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305205, "authorName": "Caroholic", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/caroholic/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If we were talking about a new Honda Civic then I would agree with some of these comments but this is a 50 year old car that was rebodied. It's done all the time. Per my interpretation of the law, as long as it is not done with an intent to deceit or hide stolen property then no biggie. We have full disclosure here. I say bid away and good luck to the seller (I hope it brings good money for you.)", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1529525393, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305235, "authorName": "TDR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tdr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Simply, physically removing Vehicle Identification Numbers from one vehicle to another is a no-no. Call your State Police/Patrol/DMV and ask them. Guess the answer.\n\nThe misunderstanding most have here, is the word REPAIR. The body/chassis of B232H2847338 is gone, destroyed, the car no longer exists. So that body/chassis car can not be repaired, because it was beyond repair, and as such, destroyed/scrapped. \n\nBy removing VIN numbers and components from destryoed B232H2847338 and transfering them to B232HXXXXXXX does not constitute a \"repair\" of BH23284733. It is a \"VIN swap\", which is illegal, even done with good intentions. Will the owner be prosecuted?? No, not likely, but that's not the point. They point is to know what you are buying. \n\nIf this was a Hemi-Cuda Convertible,...then would a VIN swap matter? Then is the, \"done as a repair\" argument valid? Since this is a lower end cool 'Cuda it's okay???\n\nYou can't legally take VIN numbers from one vehicle and simply transfer them to another vehicle, without initiating some form of actual restoration or valid repair of the ORIGINAL vehicle/chassis. Some part of the original chassis, car has to remain, not just bolt on items like hoods, doors, engines etc.\n\nI know VIN swaps \"happen all the time\". How many Shelby GT350's have been \"rebodied\" etc? Caveat emptor, is always modus operandi.\n\nThe seller has been up front and above board with all of this. Cudos to him, well done. The value will be reflected in the information provided by the seller in this auction.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1529526607, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305305, "authorName": "Schmat", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/schmat/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@automatt Again, I don't think anyone has said the car will be seized and destroyed, and if they did, I don't think they are correct. However, there are published stories of vehicles being impounded to sort issues exactly like this out. And I have to say, if you don't have a record of the actual VIN of the new unibody, which is the actual car in this instance, you might have a problem on your hands. \r\n\r\n@kmerkle - do you have the VIN of this body and/or provenance to substantiate its origin? Not to cry wolf, but without that, how are we to prove that its not ACTUALLY a stolen car?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529526621, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305374, "authorName": "Schmat", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/schmat/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Actually, I'd be ready for that SLIGHTLY more detailed VIN inspection, because the VIN on the title doesn't match the VIN on the car. Title says BS23H28473338, whereas in the actual VIN, that middle \"8\" should be a \"B\". Given that the manufacturers door VIN tag is also missing some digits, they are going to be checking multiple VIN locations, and it could very well be that a savvy inspector would notice a VIN swap and ask questions.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529527615, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305419, "authorName": "kmerkle (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kmerkle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Schmat I had to surrender the original title (NC) to the SC DMV when I got the new title. They must have made a typo transposing the \"B\" for an \"8\". I never noticed it.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529528251, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305449, "authorName": "Schmat", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/schmat/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@kmerkle - do you have documentation for the new body, including origin and VIN?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529528627, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305456, "authorName": "kmerkle (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kmerkle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Schmat yes, I have the bill of sale and the fender tag for the donor body.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529528819, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305488, "authorName": "Schmat", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/schmat/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@kmerkle - can you have those added to the gallery? I'd like to confirm that I'll have the info I need to appropriately have the title updated with the local DMV.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1529529297, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305563, "authorName": "nacoroco", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nacoroco/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"They must have made a typo transposing the \u201cB\u201d for an \u201c8\u201d, I never noticed it\" - the plot thickens...", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529530111, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305610, "authorName": "kmerkle (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kmerkle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Schmat I'll do that when I get home.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529530640, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305600, "authorName": "ForzaV12", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/forzav12/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@dennis, State Trooper, VIN inspector and multiple awards for stolen vehicle recovery. Checked with the current head VIN inspector in the old office-illegal. Period. Will it ever be discovered by a typical LEO? Probably not. There are officers, however, that always take an extra peek at collector cars. It wouldn't be difficult to detect where a couple of these numbers were changed. I'm done bothering this man's auction. I hope it all works out. Just posting information that's all. If you don't believe it to be true-fine.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1529530777, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305651, "authorName": "Dan_Patterson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dan_patterson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "'74 318 'Cuda was my first car out of college. Drove the wheels off of it. Memories of a shoebox of Led Zeppelin tapes in the console. Hope this one can be saved somehow.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1529531360, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2305713, "authorName": "MAMilligan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mamilligan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It is annoying how common the B to 8 confusion is on E bodies. I'm going through the same thing on a 70 Challenger in WV. The original SC title was correct. The title transfer paperwork was correct. The VIN rubs were correct. Still, the WV DMV managed to send a title with the wrong VIN. The process is to have the cops come out to verify the VIN and then you go stand in line at the DMV and then wait a month for the new title. This might cause a delay in getting a title for the new owner if the SC DMV isn't quick.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1529531945, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2306043, "authorName": "Schmat", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/schmat/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ugh, again, not to be nit-picky - but the VINs don't match on the photos. Note that the VIN is a BS23H\"2B\"473338 car, with the number two signifying a 1972 production date. Yet the imprints on the photos show...unless my eyes deceive me... a B\"3\" stamping in the photos of the Body VINs (for some reason they always reversed these digits in the stamps), which indicate a 1973 production. To me, the only way this happens is if someone physically forged the stampings, and didn't really know what they were doing. \r\n\r\nMaybe I'm missing something, as I'm just an attorney that proofs things all day long and looks at cars - maybe some of the more experienced E Body guys can chime in and clarify whether any of this is legit, or if we're just dealing with an all around issue.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1529536452, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 2306050, "authorName": "Schmat", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/schmat/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I can just see going to get the title, the numbers don't match. They look at the door tag, its incomplete. They loo