[{"id": 1829552, "authorName": "shiparino", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shiparino/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Mine was the same year/model, but I put in a 2 liter motor and all the 80's \"upgrades\". Really nice.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1509568532, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829554, "authorName": "shiparino", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shiparino/", "bidAmount": 5000, "content": "$5,000 bid placed by shiparino", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509568549, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1829577, "authorName": "PDXBryan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/pdxbryan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Who says gray is a boring color? This should be called chameleon gray, the way it changes with the light. Love it!", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1509568840, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829585, "authorName": "toothfixer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/toothfixer/", "bidAmount": 10000, "content": "$10,000 bid placed by toothfixer", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509568919, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1829594, "authorName": "mirra", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mirra/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Yes! Very clean! Impressive!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509569059, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829596, "authorName": "shiparino", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shiparino/", "bidAmount": 10500, "content": "$10,500 bid placed by shiparino", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509569088, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1829600, "authorName": "mjking5", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mjking5/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "squeaky clean", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509569180, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829618, "authorName": "mbaum", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mbaum/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wow - The Bavarian Alfa Giulia - This is gorgeous. I hope to see it this weekend in OC.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509569441, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829611, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "perfection in my book. I think Bristol is my new favorite color", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1509569565, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829641, "authorName": "John_in_Seattle", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/john_in_seattle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Looks good from every angle in every light condition...", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1509569614, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829726, "authorName": "toothfixer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/toothfixer/", "bidAmount": 14000, "content": "$14,000 bid placed by toothfixer", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509570736, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1829734, "authorName": "ren_0911", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ren_0911/", "bidAmount": 20000, "content": "$20,000 bid placed by ren_0911", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509570789, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1829750, "authorName": "toothfixer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/toothfixer/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "that escalated quickly", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1509571073, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829784, "authorName": "shiparino", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/shiparino/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Now that escalated quick...", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509571493, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829809, "authorName": "KarlRichter", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/karlrichter/", "bidAmount": 22500, "content": "$22,500 bid placed by KarlRichter", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509571843, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1829814, "authorName": "JJMclure", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jjmclure/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "So much to like here....what a beautiful car....and well represented. Kudo's to the current and previous owners for preserving for this car. GLWA!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509571919, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829855, "authorName": "Bantha", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bantha/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Not sure if a better color combination could be had.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1509572484, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829858, "authorName": "porkpiehat", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/porkpiehat/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wait!...Wait...I have something for this-I got nothing. GLWA-Stunning...", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509572501, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829909, "authorName": "mcaden", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mcaden/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Very pretty car, that is mostly stock and well done. The only thing that I think I noticed is that it is missing the embossed piece of early 1600s trim that runs along the front of the hood (non-embossed trim present). The engine bay isn't quite up to the standard of the rest of the car, but I suppose it wouldn't take a lot of work to paint the brake booster and some other areas. Overall, about as good it gets for a 1600/2002 and this should do very well. Look forward to seeing where this one goes. GLWS.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509573270, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829954, "authorName": "jozinho", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jozinho/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "oh my!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509574096, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1829986, "authorName": "Frank_Garcia", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/frank_garcia/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "A blue chip collectable.\nRoundies Rule.\nGLWTA", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509574733, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830015, "authorName": "groceg", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/groceg/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "My Word this is nice. I can't find anything to complain about and I'm known to be pretty good at that. Nothing sinister lurking here for sure. Question to seller: Is the battery actually a \"Varta\" or is it just the sticker ? If Varta, where do you get them ?", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509575245, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830043, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Battery is one item that is a fake-y-doo. VARTA batteries are unobtainium and not available for years. Under this sticker is modern wet cell battery -Interstate. Vintage VARTA label was sourced from Germany.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1509575556, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830054, "authorName": "magnus", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/magnus/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Clever boy, displaying it at the SoCal Vintage meet this weekend. Following the example set by the 93k tii at Legends. Car looks incredible, good luck!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509575793, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830152, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Reply to Mcaden: we considered painting the engine compartment. It was tempting when we cleaned the inner fender wells. The decision was made to keep these original pianted surfaces -original. It tells the real history and story. And you can only do that once. New paint can hide sins. \nRegarding beltline trim on hood: only early production 1600s had the dimpled ovals. By late 1968 it was all smooth trim. FYI. We really pushed to bring this back to stock, stock configuration. Thanks for your kind words.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1509576695, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830200, "authorName": "WAGONBOYTD", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wagonboytd/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "SHEER PERFECTION!!!!!!", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1509577175, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830204, "authorName": "thestig", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thestig/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Nice start. Needs a lot of detail work to bring it to the next level.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509577297, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830233, "authorName": "kbkb", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kbkb/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The great looking car caught my eye and the original owners address was across the street from my Grandfathers in Hanford. Small world : )", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509578689, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830262, "authorName": "mikepelly", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mikepelly/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I've inspected and drove this 1600 and I love how it looks and feels. I can attest to seller's attention to detail, including his decision to keep engine bay and undercarriage in its original condition. It's not that difficult to make paint these areas but doing so diminishes what makes this car so special. It's 'bones' are exposed and they show no rust or collision history. Not very many dry examples like this exist anymore....congrats to seller for doing this one right. GLWA", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1509579832, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830290, "authorName": "Paul_B", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/paul_b/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This is a BMW before everything got out of hand and the race for complexity was on. A nice, simple 1600 in a beautiful period colors. Lots of makers had interesting single-stage grays back then. I don't like to get too nostalgic, but I do miss that automotive era of straightforward, dignified design with adequate creature comforts but no false macho airs and no unneeded whiz-bang equipment. Good European cars were really fun to drive then. Whoever gets this will have a little gem.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1509580813, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830382, "authorName": "WAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@paul b. The pre spoiler and air dams era", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509584533, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830425, "authorName": "Number_Six", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/number_six/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It even has a snorkel. There, I said it. We can move forward now. \nWill somebody please out bid me on the tii Touring so I can bid on this please?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509586205, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830435, "authorName": "105allday", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/105allday/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Oh lord yes with the blue. Precisely the colorway nobody would have the good sense to order today. Or the blur would be some hideous pepsi hue as inserts on dull grey.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509586618, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830616, "authorName": "myopic1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/myopic1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Would you mind telling/sending me ho did the paint? It looks incredible. Are you happy with it? I have a 1999 M Coupe in need.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509593047, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830710, "authorName": "ladflow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ladflow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This is a brilliant example", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1509600230, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830724, "authorName": "deguitars", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/deguitars/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "For those who have expressed otherwise I was going to say time will prove the decision not to over restore this car was the right choice but that time is NOW. Kudos to the seller and good luck with the sale.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1509601584, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830761, "authorName": "Nocrowd", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nocrowd/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "A true time capsule. It is so rare to see them in this state.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1509606305, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830822, "authorName": "m1sandman", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/m1sandman/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Truly magnificent!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509623019, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830878, "authorName": "West-Coaster", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/west-coaster/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If you bought one of these new in 1969, you definitely were someone who danced to a different beat. To see one in FRESNO back then??? Owner must have been looked upon as the town oddball!\n\nWhat a stunning example of a timeless design. \n\nGLWTS", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1509625895, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830898, "authorName": "Buildit", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/buildit/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Question, would this car be worth more or less with a 2 liter M10 fresh engine vs. the original 1600 M10, underpowered, hard to find parts engine ?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509626539, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830961, "authorName": "nobrakes", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nobrakes/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@buildit less, way less.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509628939, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830963, "authorName": "vty777", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vty777/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This is the model that saved BMW from bankruptcy,along with the 2002 ti.It was criticized for looking like an NSU Prinz, but it did allow the Co.to survive,and secure financing.Not the story you will hear from the BMW Museum.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509628997, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830976, "authorName": "junkman67", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/junkman67/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@mikepelly Mighty kind words... The car does look awesome. Do you happen to know this cat? @Bigmotorssmallcar", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509629259, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1830983, "authorName": "Achman", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/achman/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Buildit\nLess.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509629514, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831029, "authorName": "clintonmomo", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/clintonmomo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Beautiful car and yes BAT everyone \"notes the California black plate\" \nI just want to know if these plates carry the same amount of significance as they used to. The black plates are now on every other car in California since they have been reissued. I see them everywhere out here. Although It is pretty cool that they are still made in Folsom prison from the original stamping dies.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509631308, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831066, "authorName": "Frost", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/frost/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Bids at $22.5k with six days left. Looks like this one is getting the attention it deserves. Good luck to seller and buyer...", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509632520, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831097, "authorName": "esoteriklaundry", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/esoteriklaundry/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The black plates on this car are sequentially correct for 1969. Big difference from the vanity plates currently available.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1509633141, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831140, "authorName": "Redadair", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/redadair/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Why paint color change?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509634283, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831219, "authorName": "crobot", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crobot/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@esoteriklaundry\n\nSo true...the underside of the plate may have a year of manufacture stamp as well. I miss the days when black and yellow plates were only found on vintage cars. For California natives these plates hold a very nostalgic place in our hearts. I'm sure some with the vanity plates understand the historical significance of the black and yellow but most probably just think \"hey, these will look cool on my new Audi\". This car is stunning! GLWTA!!!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509636576, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831230, "authorName": "Redadair", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/redadair/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "What was the Original Color of the car? Sierra or Bristol?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509636929, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831255, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "RE: The California black plates\u2026 There is also something different about the font on the new ones presently being issued. It appears thinner than on the older plates. The new ones are therefore easily distinguished from the originals both by appearance and sequence, as mentioned below.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509637627, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831266, "authorName": "stev0001", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stev0001/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@crobot: This SF native could not agree more!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509637736, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831308, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Reply: @Redadair The color has always been Bristol Grey.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509639174, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831409, "authorName": "brogoff", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/brogoff/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "What a beautiful example of an iconic car. True to the original, not messed with, not over-restored. So many of these have been modified in some way. It is a pleasure to see one like this.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509641701, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831938, "authorName": "Talbot78SC", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/talbot78sc/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'd want to see old reg slips showing these were/are the original plates to this car.\r\nI bought a '68 1600 back in '72 and the plates were ZPE XXX. Granted they weren't selling as many cars back in the day and the distribution of the plates throughout the state varied by region. Maybe they just didn't use up their allotment in Fresno as quickly as other areas.\r\n\r\nThis is a pretty nice example, that's for sure. Those clear CV joint boots bring back lots of not so fond memories for me.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509653582, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1831998, "authorName": "WAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@talbot78sc. As a bidder, why will original plates matter to me? Education please", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509654460, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832066, "authorName": "Talbot78SC", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/talbot78sc/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm not saying they should matter to you. To some of us 'old guys', it does.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509655020, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832217, "authorName": "bitbckt", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bitbckt/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Lovely car. I'm glad we continue to see BaT listings of this class, and that they achieve the appreciation they so deserve.\n\nThe attempts at anonymity in the document photos are endearingly-ineffective.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509656526, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832511, "authorName": "HBChris", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/hbchris/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I can\u2019t believe the questioning of these plates as to whether they are original. Yes they are. In 1969 CA issued X, Y and Z plates. A car sold in mid 69 would most likely have a Y plate. I had a 11/68 build 2002 sold in SoCal in Feb/Mar of 1969, it was XXG. The new black plates are reflectorized and Can Not be ordered in the ABC123 sequence, nor can personalized plates. As noted earlier, these have the correct font and were beautifully restored. \n\nRe \u201cI bought a \u201968 1600 back in \u201972 and the plates were ZPE XXX\u201d, a 68 may not have been sold until 1969 and plates were sent to DMVs all over the state, let\u2019s move on.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1509660604, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832536, "authorName": "cmarston", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/cmarston/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "My bristol grey 68' 1600 although long gone.......is still the love of my life.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509660804, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832603, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"font\" is a computer term. no computers were used to design these plates back in the late '60s. It's a \"typeface\". The two plates are the same, one restored, one not restored. When restoring the plates, you hand paint of the stamped metal letter on the plate. in this case, the width of the hand painted letter is a little wider that what's left of the original painted plate. no big deal. I've dealt with several \"plate restorers\" and this is what to expect.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1509661940, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832660, "authorName": "West-Coaster", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/west-coaster/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Yes, the new black plates are quite different from true 1963-69 ones. \n\nA friend recently told me he was going to just get the new plates for his classic, rather than get real YOM ones, as it was \"less of a hassle.\"\n\nMy retort was that I'd never do that, as some guy in the next lane will have his same plates on a Tesla.\n\n@HBChris\n\nSome 1970 cars - sold in late 1969 - were actually issued some of the last of the black plates.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509663075, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832745, "authorName": "WAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@talbot78sc. I respect \"us old guys\" opinion. Educate an out of state bidder please. It may matter to me as well\n\nWhoops, just read where we need to move on....", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509665502, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832788, "authorName": "roydestroy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/roydestroy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This BMW is dripping in sweetness! What a stunning and pristine example. The color is just perfect. I am in love.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509667077, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832802, "authorName": "Rey949", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rey949/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I love everything about this car. It is just so... right!\r\nThat steering wheel. A Rare factory one indeed!", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509667676, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832816, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Reply @Talbot78SC - A legit question. Thank you to HB Chris for the first clarification on Calif plate(s) history. I have reviewed the documentation and one of the earlier ones I could find was service record July 14, 1986 showing the sample plate no. YTV 687. All other records show YTV 687. Lets move forward.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509668280, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832827, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "A copy of this 1986 YTV 687 service record has been uploaded to the Auction. Apparently, it has to be reviewed by BaT first. Should pop up soon. Look for the large white arrow.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509668471, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832835, "authorName": "keyboard49", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/keyboard49/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I had a North Atlantic Blue 1969 1600 which I purchased in 1972. It was a wonderful car. This car looks lovely but it will be bid out of my ability to purchase it. It was the the most comfortable small car I have ever driven. The seats were fabulous for a long trip. The trunk was huge.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509668903, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832899, "authorName": "bringatrailer", "authorUrl": "", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "An additional service record has been added to the gallery", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509671908, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832914, "authorName": "Talbot78SC", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/talbot78sc/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Not to belabor the point, but these plates are not the same. The 'restored' one is a reproduction, IMHO. Close, but no cigar. The original front plate was probably lost or so battered as to be unusable.\nI base my opinion on the 'Y' and the '8' not being the same as an original.\nYou have to have friends in other states now to get this type of plate made and have it sent to them so they can send it to you. They don't send them into Calif. anymore.\nJust my thoughts for what they're worth.\nGLWTA, I put over 110k miles on mine when I had it. Great cross country car, and yes, the trunk is HUGE.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509672744, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832999, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Kudos to @joebarthlow -below for his very accurate description of these two original plates. I can assure all, both plates are original Calif. stampings and not reproductions. This was a vivid and specific valuation attribute when I purchased the car. @joebarthlow nailed what actually happened -the restorer in painting on the yellow paint made the letters thicker than what was originally applied in the1960's.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509677015, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1832998, "authorName": "mikepelly", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mikepelly/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@junkman67 Yes, I know the seller well. Paul Cain is well known in the BMW community for his role as the BMW CCA National Concours Chair. He is also Co-Chair of the Pebble Beach Concours d'elegance Field Crew where I serve as a volunteer. Restorations are a hobby for both of us, but he's way more talented. He helped me restore several cars including the Baikal blue Tii that recently sold here on BaT for $93.5K . His collection is impressive, but we are both downsizing because the shop where we work on our cars recently sold. The antithesis of this car is his 3002ttil....Google BMW 3002ttil. it showcases his skillset. This 1600 however has never been modified...it's truly an honest early car.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1509677180, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1833128, "authorName": "bringatrailer", "authorUrl": "", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Additional photos have been added to the gallery", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509688818, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1833667, "authorName": "knuck39", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/knuck39/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "it seems quite a few seem to be lost on wheter or not the plates are \"original\"...look at the car kids....that is the star..the plates would be a nice afterthought..but that's all...Back then,.I was a 12 year old detailer in 69 at the dealer my father worked for..I can still remember them being coated in cosmoline fresh off the ship....and having the hub caps,mirror and exhaust tip..as well as the tool kit in a grey box in the trunk that I would have to install,once the cosmoline was cleaned off....that dealer was ,Foreign Engine in Everett Ma..when Max Hoffman was the sole US importer.... I can tell you...this is about as close as they come to being a fairly un-disturbed original...nice example and I am glad they have finally come around in value as I knew that some day they would......makes me happy to still have my 68 1600....and 72Tii...;-)", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509724787, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1833698, "authorName": "WAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@knuck39. epic, thanks for sharing!", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509725407, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1833872, "authorName": "HBChris", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/hbchris/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@West-Coaster\n\n\u201cSome 1970 cars \u2013 sold in late 1969 \u2013 were actually issued some of the last of the black plates.\u201d\n\nI totally agree, it\u2019s sad the DMV does not recognize this as they won\u2019t allow a YOM black plate on a 1970 car.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509730861, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1833901, "authorName": "jdt10768", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jdt10768/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@knuck39 - wouldn't that be cool to actually see one of those trunk boxes in an undisturbed state? I guess they were all thrown away at the time", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509731765, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1834205, "authorName": "Abe59", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/abe59/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Don't know if they helps the plate questions but I can remember my dad buying a 1969 Chevrolet at the end of that year. I was 10 years old and for whatever reason I still remember the plate...ZUU818", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509739166, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1834673, "authorName": "Number_Six", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/number_six/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I wonder if the seller will cry if I buy this and then drive it across country back to Virginia.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509746056, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1834675, "authorName": "Number_Six", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/number_six/", "bidAmount": 22750, "content": "$22,750 bid placed by Number Six", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509746075, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1834969, "authorName": "KarlRichter", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/karlrichter/", "bidAmount": 25000, "content": "$25,000 bid placed by KarlRichter", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509751490, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1835084, "authorName": "flyn-hawn", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/flyn-hawn/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@HBChris \nYou are correct as my 70 El Camino has its original black plate, when I bought the car 8 years ago from original owner it was still wearing it.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509757251, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1835093, "authorName": "HBChris", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/hbchris/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This 1600 would definitely make it across country but with a 4.10 diff you will be turning some revs! The 1600 just feels so nimble on the original tire size of 165/80-13 too.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509757644, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1835150, "authorName": "WAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@flyn-hawn. Where can you find a good el Camino?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509760391, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1835193, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "No one likes surprises, particularly when purchasing vintage cars. Therefore a new batch of exterior images has been uploaded to the gallery. I\u2019ve received some constructive input about the varying color of the 1600 as shown in the initial overall images. These were shot at the \u2018golden hour\u2019 and, as I\u2019ve just learned, not an accurate lighting source for light, solid colors. \nThanks to the professional photography services of an anonymous local (serious) enthusiast, who volunteered to reshoot the outside images in accurate mid-daylight. \n\nThese latest images are much more accurate to the true shades of Bristol grey. Thanks for the input.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509763193, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1835413, "authorName": "Caymanorcarrera", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/caymanorcarrera/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ever wonder what a mint 1600 Roundie's worth these days?\n\nAnd 4 days to go!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509794103, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1835640, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "A few updates to the 1600 as it arrives at Woodley Park today.\nA correct Blaupunkt AM radio has been fitted and is working correctly. \nPer the original auction description, this 1600 will come with the 2 piece (slotted aluminum beauty rings + center hub cap). One photo has been uploaded to the gallery. For display purposes today at Woodley, the passenger side of the car will have these 2 pc. style fitted. On the left side, the front will be the basic Euro / strippo style with center hub cap only, and the LR will have the 1 pc. all stainless kick on. To be clear: this is just for display purposes to see the car with these different looks. The car comes with the 2 pc style, set of 4. \nNow the If / Then\u2019s:\nIF the car meets the reserve, and IF the new owner is planning on competing in any Concours events - THEN Seller will cooperate with new owner to source a correct set of center hub caps. These are near impossible to find and efforts to date have been fruitless.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1509808383, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1835683, "authorName": "bringatrailer", "authorUrl": "", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Exterior photos in different lighting have been added to the gallery.\n\nThanks for viewing!!!\n\n-BaT", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509810238, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1835975, "authorName": "JJMclure", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jjmclure/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Kudos to seller for taking the time to arrange the new exterior shots. They truly show the beauty of this car. What a fine example of the '02 series - the next owner will be one happy/lucky soul.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509827573, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1835985, "authorName": "Handbuiltcollector", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/handbuiltcollector/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Just returned from Woodley Park. Car looked so nice. That color . . . love it. But it is an original beauty, and she shall not be violated. I want mine tarted up, fast, low and loud(ish). \nI would love to see a modded 02 in this color for auction. My checkbook is ready and waiting.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509828484, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1836134, "authorName": "motorlove", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/motorlove/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wondering about extensive discussion about the black plates. plates are DMV property and really have nothing to do with the car today with YOM and custom black plates.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509839852, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1836140, "authorName": "motorlove", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/motorlove/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I will say that the color itself is deeper than in pics and appears richer/prettier in person IMHO", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509840443, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1836240, "authorName": "Mshark", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mshark/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I also saw the car today at the SoCal Vintage BMW show. It\u2019s stunningly beautiful. Looks even better in person than what you see in the pics.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1509849208, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1836267, "authorName": "Darren", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/darren/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "dammit dammit DAMMIT... I'm stuck in NY working since Thursday, and couldn't be at Vintage this year. ^$%#!!\n\n(but at least the work I'm doing is for BMW...)", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1509851517, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1836561, "authorName": "Fastrack325", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fastrack325/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Saw this car at the Vintage yesterday and it is just as spectacular in person as it is in the photos, if not more! Like a time warp BMW that has just been discovered in dry storage, been covered and sitting on blocks!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509899123, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1836657, "authorName": "Jeff", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jeff/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I also saw the car yesterday, very nice.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509906889, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1836704, "authorName": "PDXBryan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/pdxbryan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Excellent new pictures but no matter what time of day or angle, this is a beauty in a fantastic color.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509910741, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1837428, "authorName": "Ringmeister", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ringmeister/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Seller, can you provide some close up photos of the two rear seams where the quarter panels meet the rear panel and the two front seams where the top of the fenders meet the nose panel?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1509986069, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1837635, "authorName": "Delia_Wolfe", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/delia_wolfe/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Having returned from Van Nuys and the SoCal show yesterday (Sunday) afternoon, I like to contemplate the experience of the show, the cars and the personalities.\r\n\r\nThe BaT canopy featured this interesting '02 and although temperance impeded my impulses to crawl all over and under it, I am not without my opinions, solicited or otherwise. \r\n\r\n Suffice to say, this is an interesting, however, unfaithful redo of a 1969 1600. The color is, to be certain, fetching. However, it's not in any respect, an unmolested time-capsule. That fact will not bother some bidders. So, if your personal tastes like the back-dated equipment and details as-is, go for it. \r\n\r\nWhen you're there to see the car in person it's not hard for my aging baby-blues to see how the recent paint hides a multitude of flaws in paint-prep and body-work. IMHO, it's merely at the lower end of \"driver-quality\" and leads me to shake my head in wonder why there are so many flattering comments by the BaT commentariat. \r\n\r\nBottom line: Best of luck to all parties involved. I've no skin in this game and will not hazard any guesses regarding the hammer price. It is an auction, so value is only relative to the next closest high bidder. You're on your own.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1509994661, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1837719, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Ringmeister Good question. Per your request, additional close up images of these areas have been submitted to the gallery at BaT and should be viewable shortly.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509996923, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1837725, "authorName": "srose44", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/srose44/", "bidAmount": 25250, "content": "$25,250 bid placed by srose44", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1509997150, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1838190, "authorName": "That1guy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/that1guy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Delia Wolfe\r\n\r\nWhile I agree with just about everything you said, I will have to respectfully disagree with your opinion on the paint quality. I too inspected this car up close, and it's a pretty nice job. There are a couple little areas that didn't get fully covered, but the body is fairly straight and the panel gaps are nice. I would say this is on the middle-upper end of \"driver\" cars. Not a concours car by any stretch (it's not advertised as one), but 99% of people won't see any flaws.\r\n\r\nHowever, your point is heard and received. So many people naively comment how \"perfect\" a car is, when they haven't seen it in person, or know little-to-nothing about bodywork. Like any BAT auction, bidders should take the overzealous comments with a grain of salt.\r\n\r\nSide note: I was also surprised to see the backdated details (e.g. swan-neck mirror), but those are easy enough to change.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1510003574, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1838423, "authorName": "HBChris", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/hbchris/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@That1guy. Those are the correct mirrors for a US 69 1600 or 2002. I believe they were used throughout the 69 model year and possibly into 1970. When the trapezoid mirrors came out I think many were replaced as the swan mirrors provides very little visibility. (And I owned an original 69 2002)", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510006473, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1838793, "authorName": "Handbuiltcollector", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/handbuiltcollector/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Delia Wolfe\n\nAfter re-reading the entire thread I could not find where the seller or anyone else used the term \"unmolested time capsule,\" or inferred with any supporting details that they believed that about this particular example. It is certainly a lot more original than the beautiful 75 from last month that you deemed \"a winner, pure and simple.\"\n\nIt seems to me that this car is fairly represented, and I stand by my post believing that this car looked very nice, but was far too original to mod to the level I personally desire. I went back to see this car multiple times because I thought it looked so nice even though I never had any intention of bidding. \n\nI guess you would probably consider me a member of the lowly \"commentariat,\" as I am not a purist or a mechanic. I appreciate that our opinions are welcome here. But if I was relying on posts from random strangers alone to decide if I wanted to bid on this car I would go along with every other person who has seen the car and thought it was nice. You just keep shaking your head in wonder why everyone else can't see through your aging baby blues while the market does its thing.\n\nI bid on that 75 based on my risk level AND the opinions of so many of the fine folks that enjoy this forum. I would not normally do such a thing and have lost out on a car because another buyer snatched it up before I could arrange for an inspection.\n\nMy mechanic of 25 years was at Woodley Park also, and I would have paid him for his detailed inspection and expert opinion on any car before considering bidding or negotiating. Fortunately for any purist buyers that were going in blind, they got your expert opinion for free.", "likes": 12, "timestamp": 1510016068, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1838870, "authorName": "greg2002", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/greg2002/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Delia Wolfe ... Nice that you made it down to the So Cal Vintage, would have liked to have met you. I was there with a Golf tii, yes... there were several there LOL", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510018682, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1838979, "authorName": "motorlove", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/motorlove/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I stand corrected read seller profile and though he was seller on other beemers here but I guess commented on them and is shop that services them?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510023288, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1839073, "authorName": "bringatrailer", "authorUrl": "", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Additional photos have been added to the gallery. Thanks for looking!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510028794, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1839298, "authorName": "motorlove", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/motorlove/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I agree with @Delia Wolfe in her candid assessment/critique of the cars paint work. After seeing the car It appears to be partly original and clean but the new paint is just fair.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510061342, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1839801, "authorName": "bringatrailer", "authorUrl": "", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Some additional photos have been added to the gallery", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510076872, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1839945, "authorName": "Fritz1602", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fritz1602/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Very very nice! I hope one day my '68 1600 will look as great as this one. It seems like the weird colors from the 60's & early '70's (Bristol, Golf, Agave....) that most people today would consider awfully ugly, are gaining in popularity and value. Good luck to the seller and early congrats to the winner!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510080951, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1840441, "authorName": "nofat95", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nofat95/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "There is a great Jay Leno garage I believe on this identical car. You can find it on YouTube.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510089109, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1840593, "authorName": "JBQuick", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jbquick/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@ seller did the under chassis benefit from dry ice detailing ? Looks amazingly clean with the cosmoline remnants exposed.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510090723, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1840779, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@JBQuick No dry ice. Soaking with mild detergent. Resoaking. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1510093414, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1841238, "authorName": "WAGONBOYTD", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wagonboytd/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "still think this car is amazing, and even without the golden gate bridge to distract us ,To me still the best 1600 to come thru in 2017, but I am partial to the new standard of grey. Grey is the new black or INKA as they say in my industry.", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1510103949, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1841251, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "funny how a handful of 1600 projects have popped up on Craigslist this week.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510104294, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1841434, "authorName": "PDXBryan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/pdxbryan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Fritz1602\nI think fewer and fewer people are considering those kind of color's wierd or ugly nowadays. Witness some of the new Subaru and Toyota colors.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510116758, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1841466, "authorName": "Patrioti", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/patrioti/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Has anyone else had a strange feeling about this auction? Exactly. Today I decided to put to rest idle speculation and spend about 2 hours with the owner and his 1600. \n\nI started it cold, drove it in varying road conditions and speeds. Typical quirky early 4 spd, very predictable and easy with typical effortless clutch pick up. Steering is very light (amazing how much lighter the feel is than my \u201972 Tii) changing direction quickly and with balance. The feedback and joy that put BMW 1600/2002 in the iconic realm is realized in this nifty, no frills offering. Braking is easy to modulate, confidence inspiring. Nimble, easy, and fun. Just like you would expect from a proper and sorted 1600, no disappointments which is rare in an old car.\n\nFit and finish is surprising given some paint is new and some has not been redone by the seller (not sure much if any exterior paint is original save a few very small sections around the windows). Brightwork is very pleasing to the eye and a highlight that compliments the exterior condition. To be clear, this is not concour but what I would call correct. 2nd tier show car, 1st tier driver. Interior is even better than the exterior.\n\nFor the cognoscenti, the real value won\u2019t be seen by most. Underneath where it counts is evidence of the real value of this car. Factory seams are intact, corners are unmolested, engine bay unpainted and just cleaned, I appreciate the original stickers rather than the typical replacements that are new. It is right in step with what this car is.\n\nAdd that the seller is well known in the BMW community, very involved, has been for some time and will continue to be. I\u2019m a trust but verify person. When you go through the car, get know the owner with his expertise, history, and earned excellent reputation, the conclusion is obvious not only about this car, but the motivation of detractors. I spent the time for the benefit of the community of which I am part that I know had the same questions that I did. Case closed for me, your mileage may vary.", "likes": 21, "timestamp": 1510120123, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1841643, "authorName": "mrjirey", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mrjirey/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It is a bummer that we didn\u2019t appreciate these simple clean lines back in the day. Glad it had been kept looking period correct. So many of these were either driven into a rusty grave or hacked into a poor mans Street descrase", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1510148909, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1841944, "authorName": "ampmeister", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ampmeister/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Love this car!!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510158381, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1841948, "authorName": "Scoopman", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/scoopman/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "What a lovely car. So it is not concours. So what. Drive it, love it and take care of it for the future. I would be proud to have this one, and I would not redo a damn thing.\nGLWTA!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510158598, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1841973, "authorName": "kbkb", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kbkb/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wish I had the funds for this one. Great looking car.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510159288, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1841995, "authorName": "velocevaluations", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/velocevaluations/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Saw this car over the weekend and heard it running at idle after a long and spirited drive - its real and its fantastic. The new owner would be VERY pleased. Don't pass on this bad boy.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1510159826, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842050, "authorName": "cmarston", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/cmarston/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Bought my 68 1600 in 1980. Went to BMWCCA track day at Sears point. On the last lap of the day, She broke loose in turn 10. After the session a fellow who was behind me said \" that was a great four wheel slide you did in turn 10\" I replied \"Missed it, soiled my pants closed my eye's, braced for the wall\" Yes, a very well balanced car indeed.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1510162015, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842073, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Number Six Re: I wonder if the seller will cry if I buy this and then drive it across country back to Virginia.\n\nI would applaud you. \nSeller would set you up with a full tank of 91, extra fan belt, set of points, OEM Oil filter and four enthusiast contacts across the States that would love to support you / see the car en route. You would have 12 new friends by the time you hit your driveway. What a journey.", "likes": 15, "timestamp": 1510162493, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842090, "authorName": "WAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wah/", "bidAmount": 26000, "content": "$26,000 bid placed by WAH", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510162863, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1842091, "authorName": "WAH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/wah/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "courtesy bid of the day\nthanks seller for bringing this here!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510162890, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842103, "authorName": "crauch66", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crauch66/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "WOW. my Father, Howard Rauch, formerly of Rauch Performance, now Rauch Auto, in Lake Bluff, Illinois, was was of those guys ..., at that time, \"listening to a different drummer,\" circa 1969. My Mother used to jet my two brothers and I in my father's, bimmer 1600 at Costa Mesa, CA, where he became a bmw parts guy, after the Navy, and having many children! Same color. Mother, too, loved the car! My Father has always highlighted THIS model and the era on PERFORMANCE? DRIVING EXPERIENCE. HOW IT FEELs. (the 1600 and 2002 tii roundies) since his passing .... i think, in heaven he is smiling with a 1600 being seen, perhaps, as more collectible then a roundie? Cheers", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510163114, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842143, "authorName": "915fan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/915fan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "My uncle did the accounting for Vasek Polak going way back. He always had a BMW demo including a 1600 in this exact color. I would tell my car nerd friends in school about how amazing it was and there was silence. \"A BMW 1600, is that a car or the license plate?\" was one old joke. Then the 2002 hit, which was essentially the same car, and took off like a rocket. Suddenly every car guy was trying to tell me about this cool new car called the BMW. So much history to be had here and the car looks great.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1510164065, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842214, "authorName": "bitbckt", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bitbckt/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@joebarthlow (et al.) The 356 community has a similar \"travel assistance network\".", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510165868, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842205, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"...four enthusiast contacts across the States that would love to support you...\" Regarding what @Bigmotorssmallcar mentioned, the classic BMW community needs a web site for this kind of support, like what roadhaus.com is for the vintage VW community, listing shops who specialize in these great cars. If anything else, it's piece of mind for road trips! OK, back to the auction...", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510165972, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842247, "authorName": "Bigmotorssmallcar (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bigmotorssmallcar/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@joebarthlow and \n@bitbckt\nBMW use to have such a book -Friends of BMW as I recall. I am now dating myself, this is back in the day when these were printed with all the home addresses, phone no's. etc. Before, when privacy was cherished, and definitely before that new fangle'd internet thing!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1510166868, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842280, "authorName": "Nocrowd", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nocrowd/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The BMA Motorcycle Owners of America still has such a book. Participation is voluntary of course.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510167627, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842320, "authorName": "mikepelly", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mikepelly/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@patrioti: Thanks for taking the time to inspect and report; you are a credit to BaT and you reconfirmed my thoughts about this 1600. As one of the first responders to this thread, I stand by my earlier comments about the high quality fit and finish of this car. It looks and drives better than described and I consider myself an objective judge even though I'm personal friends with the seller. The 'bones' of this car are as good as you will find and that's where the real value lies. But it also looks and drives great and is ready for long term ownership with no major surprises. Buying from this seller should instill confidence to any bidder.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1510168942, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842613, "authorName": "srose44", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/srose44/", "bidAmount": 26250, "content": "$26,250 bid placed by srose44", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510172898, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1842859, "authorName": "PDXBryan", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/pdxbryan/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@joebarthlow\nI used to have a \"piece of mind\" but I don't think there's any left now.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1510175508, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842877, "authorName": "jgipson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jgipson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Like www.BMW2002FAQ.com? @Joebarthlow", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510175701, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842908, "authorName": "Radyn", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/radyn/", "bidAmount": 27000, "content": "$27,000 bid placed by Radyn", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510176066, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1842914, "authorName": "srose44", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/srose44/", "bidAmount": 27250, "content": "$27,250 bid placed by srose44", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510176105, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1842945, "authorName": "Radyn", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/radyn/", "bidAmount": 28000, "content": "$28,000 bid placed by Radyn", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510176539, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1842948, "authorName": "srose44", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/srose44/", "bidAmount": 28250, "content": "$28,250 bid placed by srose44", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510176560, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 1842953, "authorName": "francoid", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/francoid/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Waking up, now we are talking!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510176620, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842957, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@PDXBryan I more a WTF-roll the dice type. Just thought I'd try something different ;)", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510176661, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842967, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@jgipson that would be a good host. I'm thinking a state by state list of shops with customer reviews", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510176799, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842973, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I have a hunch this auction may go through a few 2 minute periods", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510176857, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842974, "authorName": "jgipson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jgipson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I think I know who wants it the worst. Any side bets? My man needs a stocker to match his last auction..", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510176960, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842977, "authorName": "Number_Six", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/number_six/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I actually did a cross country jaunt like that last February in a MB 560SEC. Loved every minute of it. No particular schedule and I changed my itinerary (as well as my underwear) several times enroute. Ten days visiting air museums, dead relatives and MB\u2019s car factory in Alabama. As much as I like this car I\u2019m holding out for the next BIG 80\u2019s Coupe of my dreams. GLWTA", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510176987, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842981, "authorName": "jgipson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jgipson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "aaaaaaaaaaaaand ACTION!", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177191, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842982, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "wow", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177199, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842983, "authorName": "Anonymous", "authorUrl": "", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Reserve not met on 11/8/17 at $28,250", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177202, "type": "bat-bid-reserve"}, {"id": 1842984, "authorName": "jt1974", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jt1974/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "aaaaaaaaaaannnddd crickets?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510177209, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842990, "authorName": "RevSome", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/revsome/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "That's a bummer.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510177273, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842996, "authorName": "healeyman1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/healeyman1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Trying to figure out what happened here . . . . Curious.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177333, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842998, "authorName": "Crazyas00", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/crazyas00/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Yes, but expected. Too Bad.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177343, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1842999, "authorName": "300GWRO", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/300gwro/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "#6....such as the RED/Grey '88 560 sec lurking down the scroll..???", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177363, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843001, "authorName": "ren_0911", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ren_0911/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This car was at BMW SoCal Vintage last Saturday at the bringatrailer booth", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177380, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843003, "authorName": "jgipson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jgipson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "hmmm.. Thought Rudy would step up.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510177386, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843004, "authorName": "junkman67", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/junkman67/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "???", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177398, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843006, "authorName": "gwa1225", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gwa1225/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wow. Really?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510177424, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843009, "authorName": "ren_0911", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ren_0911/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I guess it is \u201ctoo original\u201d?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177468, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843013, "authorName": "Talbot78SC", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/talbot78sc/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Having owned one in the past for over 9 years, I think the seller needs to make a readjustment to his expectations about the value here.\r\nThis was a good price for this car IMO.\r\nToo original, no, not original enough, maybe.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1510177517, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843015, "authorName": "bitbckt", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bitbckt/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It just needs an S14...", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510177557, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843017, "authorName": "Scoopman", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/scoopman/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "RNM at $28k? Whoa. Very nice car, but THAT nice?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510177580, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843020, "authorName": "stuntflyr", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stuntflyr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wow, I thought putty grey and black plates would be right up the German lovers alley?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177619, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843025, "authorName": "ACR", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/acr/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I thought it would go for more seeing the selling prices of 02s lately but it's not a bad deal for seller/buyer. Wonder what reserve was", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177683, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843034, "authorName": "junkman67", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/junkman67/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I bet the reserve was in the high 40's...", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177785, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843038, "authorName": "4ZKRVS", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/4zkrvs/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wonder if BaT leadership would consider, with owner's permission of course, sharing the reserve price after the auction completes without meeting the reserve... it could be helpful to the seller and interested buyers when bids come close to reaching the reserve. Added benefit would be to the BaT community to further the educational process on the market and owner expectations on these wonderful cars.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510177855, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843045, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Looks like it came down to lack of views. This BaT auction only had 20,090 views, which is 1/3 to 1/2 of some of the big selling 2002/E10s in the past 6 months. not enough eyeballs on this one.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177944, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843050, "authorName": "jgipson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jgipson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It's posted in all the 2002 groups and internet sights. I just don't think that they pull the same wool as the Tii.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177967, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843051, "authorName": "junkman67", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/junkman67/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Good job Docing the car seller!", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510177968, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843070, "authorName": "junkman67", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/junkman67/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@4ZKRVS I don't think the reserve was close to the last bid. Seeing how his buddy ( both car judges) sold his close to six figs.. I would think the reserve was high 40's low 50's....\nhttps://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-bmw-2002tii-10/", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510178377, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843102, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "According to Hagerty valuation... 1969 BMW 1600... \nExcellent condition $16,800 \nConcours condition $29,700\nBased on that, this auction ended about right.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1510178571, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843108, "authorName": "Tom_Jones", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tom_jones/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Looks to me like the buyers aren't ready to spend for a $30K early '69 1600 yet.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510178672, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843113, "authorName": "junkman67", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/junkman67/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@joebarthlow where does Hagerty value 1973 2002tii \nConcours condition ?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510178758, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843118, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@junkman67 $55,100", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510178842, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843123, "authorName": "lhaag", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lhaag/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "here's the sellers 2011 sale. woulda shoulda coulda...\nhttp://bringatrailer.com/2011/08/02/bat-exclusive-seriously-restored-bmw-1972-2002tii", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510178877, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843138, "authorName": "joebarthlow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joebarthlow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@junkman67 all it takes to blow up valuation numbers are two passionate bidders. That auction had almost double the views of this auction. I'm guessing color and \"2002\" in the listing had a bigger draw.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510179282, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843125, "authorName": "junkman67", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/junkman67/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@joebarthlow .... Then..... https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-bmw-2002tii-10/ made out at over 90K... Or Hagerty needs to do some adjusting.. Too many of these have hit the market lately. Supply needs to die down a bit... They have been coming out of the woodwork..... Especially after Mario's car...", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510179349, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843857, "authorName": "pat356jones", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/pat356jones/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Nice car. I am restoring a 1969 BMW 2002. Parts are available but I find myself paying prices that reflect early Porsche 911 prices for parts - not commensurate with the values of the early BMW's.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510195024, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1843944, "authorName": "Darren", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/darren/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "FWIW, while this pretty little 1600 has its level of panache, I don't think the market is as strong for these as it is for a 2002/tii. You need to have That Guy (or Gal) that absolutely must have a 1600, for whatever reasons, to get the big $$. I think those buyers are a lot fewer and further between than collectors looking for the tii -- which is the \"golden child\" of the ilk -- and even the 2002's will attract more interest, simply because they have the bigger motor. And I am saying this from the standpoint of someone who is a 1600 lover (I raced one -- very successfully -- in Improved Touring C for many years).\n\nJust my seat-of-the-brains hunch...", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1510199004, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1844648, "authorName": "Anscahuer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/anscahuer/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Take a look in Europe. Over here there are plenty of them in fine shape.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510247318, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1844992, "authorName": "kgert", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/kgert/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Pretty sure I saw this drive up Beaudry Ave this morning in DTLA. Sa-weet", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510256812, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1846601, "authorName": "voiture", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/voiture/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "As an ex '69 16(02) owner, I was watching with interest. Loved the car, not the rust that did it in. \nThis is certainly one of the most attractive 1600s I've seen. Question in my mind is, wouldn't the same money get you a 2002 in similar condition?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1510301313, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1848844, "authorName": "redclam", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/redclam/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Owned a 1600 when I was 17, paid $2,600 for it in 1980. No matter how hard I pressed on the gas, it would only do 98 mph. I slid it off a one lane road in the foothills outside of Oakdale, CA during a Teacher strike. Ripped the aluminum rims off of the front hubs and tore up the under carriage. Insurance totaled it. Had to go back to driving a 1971 Ford Galaxy 500. I bought a 1974 Alfa Romeo Spider a year later, sold it for a 1969 Volkswagon Bug to take to college. I always thought it would be fun to own these cars again, but that thought has faded.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1510377096, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 12526324, "authorName": "Hano", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/hano/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Todays date 9/22/2023 ... just wonder what ever became of this nice 1600???????", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1695467827, "type": "comment"}]