[{"id": 884862, "authorName": "alfa_rescue_society", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/alfa_rescue_society/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wow, very desirable car. Hope it does well.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1440517306, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884866, "authorName": "Boondocksaint", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/boondocksaint/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Given the rarity and how many guys I know who have had 8ers in the past, this one should do well. The 6-speed is the horn on this unicorn, so to speak. And I love it in white. Add some style 39s and it would be just perfect.", "likes": 20, "timestamp": 1440517728, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884870, "authorName": "gabbo241", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gabbo241/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Just needs one thing: someone to artfully remove that ///M badge.", "likes": 18, "timestamp": 1440518065, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884872, "authorName": "Stan_the_Man", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/stan_the_man/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Too bad about the ///M badge. Screams \"look at me! look at me!\".\r\nPeople who know what the car is, know what the car is.\r\nThis should do quite well. Let's see how high she goes.\r\nBoondocksaint - the 6 isn't the unicorn, surprisingly. The even-more-rare S70 is the unicorn on this car.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1440518110, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884873, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 1000, "content": "$1,000 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440518162, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 884879, "authorName": "lionsfan54", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lionsfan54/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Are those the right mirrors? Thought CSIs had the \"M style\" mirrors?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440518837, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884883, "authorName": "GreaserGeezer1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/greasergeezer1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@lionsfan54- The US market cars had the regular mirrors. Lots more info on 8s here-\n\nhttp://www.8coupe.com/", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1440519062, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884900, "authorName": "Genghisgian", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/genghisgian/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Probably one of if not the nicest 8er in existence, which makes it one of the nicest BMWs in existence", "likes": 15, "timestamp": 1440521016, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884904, "authorName": "MattH", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/matth/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Wow, these cars scare me a bit. Okay, a lot, but this one looks superb. V12 + manual transmission = :-) :-) :-D", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440521283, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884908, "authorName": "Andrew930", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/andrew930/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The euro cars had the M style mirrors", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440521653, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884916, "authorName": "dhoyle", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dhoyle/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "The ultimate 8...", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440522310, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884922, "authorName": "Bosshog", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bosshog/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "BEEYOUTEEFUL!!\r\nThis will definitely ring the bell that the 8 series are something to look @ . . even a stock 840/850. In my opinion BMW kept the same \"evolving beauty\" with the CS/CSL's to 633/635/M6 series. . . to the 8 - series. Now it's gone 4EVER.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1440522843, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884931, "authorName": "agl1336", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/agl1336/", "bidAmount": 2000, "content": "$2,000 bid placed by agl1336", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440523738, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 884941, "authorName": "old911", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/old911/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "So timeless!", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1440524584, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884945, "authorName": "tjsbeer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tjsbeer/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I think Ozzy is going to shocked at how much this us going to sell for just seven years later.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1440525144, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884946, "authorName": "tjsbeer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tjsbeer/", "bidAmount": 8500, "content": "$8,500 bid placed by tjsbeer", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440525163, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 884950, "authorName": "TJP_77", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tjp_77/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Worth it for the manual transmission alone, even if everything else needed restoration. The fact that it's pristine all around is just the cherry on top.\r\nAnd I agree that the time has come for these cars as far as value goes. They're already seeing a bump. A few years down the road and you won't be able to touch them.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1440525569, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884951, "authorName": "CTFOCUSST", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ctfocusst/", "bidAmount": 8900, "content": "$8,900 bid placed by CTFOCUSST", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440525712, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 884953, "authorName": "tjsbeer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tjsbeer/", "bidAmount": 10850, "content": "$10,850 bid placed by tjsbeer", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440525875, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 884955, "authorName": "tardis", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/tardis/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I sure hope Ozzy never drove this car when he was mad; that would take ten years off the life of the car! If you have the money and the balls I guess it would be a good car but any V-12 is SCARY when it comes to maintenance or mechanical problems.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440525934, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884958, "authorName": "Peter_D", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/peter_d/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If I had to find fault, I guess it would be the color. Other than that...speechless. Would love to eat up some miles in this. You would arrive to your destination well-rested and early!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440526071, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884959, "authorName": "GreaserGeezer1", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/greasergeezer1/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "FWIW- Word on the street is that the Alpina B12 5.7l versions of these cars are bringing upwards of 200K Euros lately. Two of the M-Individual 840s just sold at auction for ~$22K and $24K.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1440526319, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884962, "authorName": "JohnG", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/johng/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm good with the M badge - the car has a WBS VIN after all", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1440526505, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884964, "authorName": "taylorpatterson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/taylorpatterson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "These are indeed rare cars and rife with exceptional firsts when they came to market. Many of which are now baseline features in today's automobiles. It's nice to see the car community starting to recognize that after so many years. I hope this seller does well because if it does, it will be hard to resist selling my own CSi!", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440526671, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884970, "authorName": "browardmarco", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/browardmarco/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I am familiar with this car. The BMW Dealer in Chicago wholesaled the vehicle to my friend, he is the one that sold it to the current owner. Lot's of reconditioning time and dollars went into this vehicle. Engine was serviced by Fluid Motor Union in Plainfield, Il.- they are straight up geniuses when it comes to 12 cylinder BMWs. Car pulled like a freight train and drove right. Definitely has some previous paint work though, I can't remember if it is major or not. Not many of these out there - the flagship of late 90's Bimmers.", "likes": 26, "timestamp": 1440527024, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 884977, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 15000, "content": "$15,000 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440527568, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 884982, "authorName": "lilmans", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lilmans/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@browardmarco ... the posting states \" The nose and passenger fender has been repainted due to small paint chips\". Doesn't sound major at all.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440528069, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885002, "authorName": "vvassallo", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vvassallo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I tried to buy one at auction in Scottsdale like this one. Seller wanted $65k. I was willing to do $45k. 220 of these in the US. Rarest BMW model imported. Even rarer than the Z8 or the one-year Alpina Z8 which is pushing $200k now. This car is about as collectible as a BMW gets. I need to find a place to store it while I am considering a bid.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1440531006, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885058, "authorName": "rb1971", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rb1971/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Had a 91 850i with a 6 speed a few years ago. No maintenance issues that were in any way serious, but the performance of the car was disappointing (not so the E39 M5 I replaced it with). But I've always been curious about the 850CSi - have heard that it's a ton more fun without a lot more expense or complexity.\n\nThe key to these is to make sure the prior owner was OCD on maintenance. If not, you're likely to have to make a large outlay to make it right. I'd expect the CSi's are more likely to be kept well.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1440533584, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885068, "authorName": "Twincam", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/twincam/", "bidAmount": 20000, "content": "$20,000 bid placed by Twincam", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440534398, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885108, "authorName": "DCG", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dcg/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I love this as-is... oddly... the black door handle breaks up the lines. Besides... the white paint cools the car down and makes it run more efficient! ;-) Something like that.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440535941, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885244, "authorName": "Jbarbakow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jbarbakow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I own a 94 BMW 850 csi with 73K myself and they are great cars that will likely appreciate substantially in the years to come. I think this is a great example given its low miles, but not all that impressed with the appearance of the engine compartment. My car looks brand new and this car looks a little worn considering the mileage. In my opinion, the current market for this car given its mileage is about $55-$60K, so long as it condition is excellent. I believe I saw this same car listed elsewhere recently for $69K. Looks like a great long term investment for someone.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440542967, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885265, "authorName": "GMiddletonM6", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gmiddletonm6/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Tend to agree with bosshog. This is clearly the design descendant of the E9 and E24. So, why is it an 8 and not a 6? Why didn't it catch on? (What was that you said, 225 NA examples? You must be joking) . \nThis is a fine example, no doubt. But an outlier in the BMW pantheon. Maybe the crushed kidneys? Barely present H kink? Flip up headlights? Wish I knew more about automotive design! GLWS.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440547154, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885279, "authorName": "Blackfin", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/blackfin/", "bidAmount": 22000, "content": "$22,000 bid placed by Blackfin", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440549118, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885304, "authorName": "titangolf", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/titangolf/", "bidAmount": 22500, "content": "$22,500 bid placed by titangolf", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440552789, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885305, "authorName": "gols", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gols/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@boondocksaint You don't touch throwing stars.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440552933, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885321, "authorName": "Ron_A.", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ron_a.-user/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Ozzie was the manager of the White Sox, after he played for them. His time in Florida was as manager of the Marlins.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440556258, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885328, "authorName": "lilmans", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lilmans/", "bidAmount": 25000, "content": "$25,000 bid placed by lilmans", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440557953, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885361, "authorName": "jmzuccarelli", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jmzuccarelli/", "bidAmount": 31111, "content": "$31,111 bid placed by jmzuccarelli", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440565253, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885383, "authorName": "e30_m3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/e30_m3/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Jbarbakow - \"the current market for this car given its mileage is about $55-$60K.\" That is getting into E30 m3 pricing territory with similar mileage.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440571572, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885411, "authorName": "CoffeeKMidget", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/coffeekmidget/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "GMiddletonM6 \". So, why is it an 8 and not a 6? ...(What was that you said, 225 NA examples? You must be joking) \"\n\nPerhaps the fact that the engine is a 12 cylinder would help to explain.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440591849, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885421, "authorName": "signalMTB", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/signalmtb/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I've always loved these cars...and the CSI!!??? Cream of the crop.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440592684, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885427, "authorName": "Texas_Aggie", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/texas_aggie/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "In keeping with the pro baseball player connection, I'll always remember this quote from the C&D review: \"If I were Roger Clemens, I'd buy one in every available color.\"\nhttp://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/bmw-850i-archived-test-review-counterpoint-page-3", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440592968, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885433, "authorName": "Bill_Clay", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/bill_clay/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "These are not even listed in Hagerty's valuation tool yet - it's just a used car! ;-)", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440593569, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885436, "authorName": "2002turbo (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2002turbo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Market for this cars are much stronger, found one sold, \nhttp://www.autosportdesigns.com/inventory/stock/813/bmw-850-csi-1995", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440593839, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885441, "authorName": "Doug_NYC", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/doug_nyc/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I believe this has some kind of modest rear wheel steering effective in lane change, if not for parking.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440594756, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885442, "authorName": "Doug_NYC", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/doug_nyc/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "However close to being an M8, this is not. BMW built an even more aggressive prototype which would have been. Flat, or diving, economy derailed the project. BMW still keeps it under wraps, not on display, as of a few years back. There are images and a story somewhere on the Internet.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440595086, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885448, "authorName": "DBAOne", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbaone/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Very nice.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440595945, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885449, "authorName": "sccchiii", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sccchiii/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "There is no doubt that these are wonderful cars when perfectly sorted....I owned a CSI for 7 years and as many have stated the manual paired with this 12cyl is a great combo. The only downside is that the upkeep on these are beyond any reasonable amount even for the experience car nut. I drive my car a couple times of week as it had to share rotations with several other cars and almost every time I drove it something would go engine related or electronics related, it just sucked the fun out of ownership (this car made the 250 lusso in my collection feel reliable). I have been with other owners that have had same experience (not paying a fortune is an exception). Killed coil packs on a fairly regular basis, starter went out 3 times in 3 years (they all suffer some electronic issues), steering rack (2 times in 7 years), on board computer system rebuilt, fuel tank replaced (car sat for 3 months waiting for tank to arrive), etc etc. Look at any 8 Series 12cyl parts diagram and throw a dart at it and most likely you'll be replacing that part during your ownership. The 8cyl 8 series are still repair hogs but less so than the 12cyl are. Just a previous owners 2 cents to buckle up for wallet safety if you aquire one.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440595950, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885450, "authorName": "ThadGins", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/thadgins/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Doug_NYC\n\nHere's that BMW M8 Article\n\nhttp://www.bmwblog.com/2015/04/21/bmw-m8-the-supercar-that-wasnt/", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440595987, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885481, "authorName": "Blackfin", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/blackfin/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Beautiful car but the green one from Autosport was even nicer than this one. Yes it was advertised at $85k, but was on consignment and recently sold in the very low $70's. No paint work, lower miles, rarer color. You can use that as a market trend guide, but while I was at Legends of Autobahn show I spoke with Keith Martin for quite a while, he thinks the 8 series has many many more years of despair until it hits its mark and starts moving in the market. However, he did speak raves about the e24 and how it's time is now. Good luck to seller, I hope his reserve is not unreasonably high.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440599937, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885495, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Thank you guys for all info.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440600628, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885496, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 35000, "content": "$35,000 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440600661, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885509, "authorName": "dbgaul", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbgaul/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Beautiful car!\n\n.............BUT....... for many eyes, white is not the best color to show the design ideas of the car. Darker colors remove the difference between the \"chubby\" effect below the horizontal glass line versus the \"sevlte\" look above the same.\n\nSpeaking of \"chubby\" .... this special \"C\" version was BMW's losing attempt to increase the power to overcome it's build weight. \n\nTake the \"M\" off the tail .... lose at little bit of weight but gain a lot of 'street cred' with the real M boys.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440602392, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885515, "authorName": "Boondocksaint", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/boondocksaint/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Andrew Golseth - I would, but I am a filthy heathen in a land of holy men. \n@Stan the Man - We have different unicorns, apparently. The S70 isn't even a horse until you add the 6-speed in my book!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440603472, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885522, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'm seriously thinking of bidding ... couple of points for anyone considering a CSi:\n- it looks like it has the white coolant expansion tanks which leaked and were superceded by a black tank.\n- the cosmoline on the intake manifolds tells me it still has the original electronic throttle bodies, which can be a trouble-point\n- the cosmoline also MIGHT indicate that the intake and valve covers have never been off. The intake gaskets are known to leak air and the valve covers sometimes leak oil, but there's also a weakness in the banjo's on the cam oiler fittings. \n\nUsually if folks have dealt with these known issues, they clean off the cosmoline when reassembling ... not to say that they couldn't have just skipped this, but if the OP is willing to share :-)\n\nGORGEOUS car ...", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440604179, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885537, "authorName": "Rucorey", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rucorey/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@ThadGins - Great link. Someone find an audio clip!\r\nGLWS - I always loved this color combo.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440606635, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885579, "authorName": "Slider172", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/slider172/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Like all other 12 cylinder cars on this earth, a nightmare to maintain . I would love to own a nice example of the eight cylinder version but wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole as my pockets just aren't deep enough.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440612879, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885596, "authorName": "taylorpatterson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/taylorpatterson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Slider172 - ANY car not well cared for is a nightmare, it's not a 12 cylinder only thing. My experience has been that the V12 is a dream to maintain if you put in the proper time and attention. This is not a drive it till you trash it car or engine to say the least. Today's cars, being more throwaway, are no comparison. A well attended V12 in these 8 Series BMWs, is at least a half a million mile engine.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1440614451, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885678, "authorName": "2doors", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2doors/", "bidAmount": 36000, "content": "$36,000 bid placed by 2doors", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440621697, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885702, "authorName": "jimmythefly", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jimmythefly/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@ GMiddletonM6\n\"This is a fine example, no doubt. But an outlier in the BMW pantheon. Maybe the crushed kidneys? Barely present H kink? Flip up headlights? Wish I knew more about automotive design!\"\n\nStylistically this is a direct decendent of the M1 and a brother of the Z1. Z1 was out in 1989 (presented as a concept in '87), the 8 series in 1990. The two are very similar. And if you look at the nose in particular, the kidneys and horizontal spaces to each side of the kidneys (with headlights up on the hood area) are clearly derived from the M1.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440622450, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885725, "authorName": "taylorpatterson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/taylorpatterson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@nomoclutch - couldn't agree more. Tell tale signs of a CSi that's spent the majority of its time tucked away collector-style. Not knocking the collector that wants to hide away these wonderful cars just in the hopes their grandchildren will one day be able to make some money... but an 850 under 50k miles is heading for manifold gasket replacement, head gaskets, fuel filters, plugs, rotors, wires, rear main seal, the banjo bolt fix, timing adjust... and any number of other normal internal engine maintenance. The cost of cool, right?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440623845, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885754, "authorName": "vvassallo", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vvassallo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Engine functions as 2 straight sixes bound by a common crank. Will actually run on 1 bank if necessary. Interesting feature. Tune ups are twice as expensive as the 6's due to twice the parts. But maintenance is not horrendous, as I see. My mechanic commented on the numerous little motors in the passenger compartment that control stuff - fans, air vents, etc.\n\nIf this car sells for $50k, it would be a great buy. Since it appears to be headed upwards some more and out of my bid range, I wish all current and subsequent bidders good luck. \n\nRemembered that comment about the rear steering. I believe there is a link back there that does the 2 step - opposite at low speeds, parallel at high. At the time, this was the showcase for both BMW tech and BMW's Individual program. I read that it never warranted the \"M\" brand because large saloon cars did not fit in the profile. Things changed, eh?", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440628521, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885765, "authorName": "Andrew930", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/andrew930/", "bidAmount": 36250, "content": "$36,250 bid placed by Andrew930", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440629543, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885778, "authorName": "lilmans", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lilmans/", "bidAmount": 37000, "content": "$37,000 bid placed by lilmans", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440630491, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885782, "authorName": "Andrew930", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/andrew930/", "bidAmount": 38000, "content": "$38,000 bid placed by Andrew930", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440630661, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885784, "authorName": "REL", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rel/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "There is no rear wheel steering on the 225 North American 850CSi's. Euro 850CSi's have it + bigger brakes + \"sport\" mirrors. We got the deluxe woodgrain package inside and the engraved Motorsport door handles instead :-(", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440630840, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885800, "authorName": "GMiddletonM6", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gmiddletonm6/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Jimmythefly\nI see the influence on the front face. The rest is clearly coupe, not supercar. Where the vertical crush was successful, and engaging on the M1, here it seems peculiar. I simply wonder if it was these very design elements that limited the designs popularity. Where the very same elegant b pillarless roof and lithe feline coupe proportions carried the earlier respective coupes to production numbers in the thousands for many years. No question that you cite proper lineage though. Thanks.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440631682, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885809, "authorName": "GMiddletonM6", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/gmiddletonm6/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Coffeekmidget\nBy this logic would a 3 series not have 3 cylinders? Mine a purely design comment, as I understand the body series to indicate.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440632548, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885815, "authorName": "DBAOne", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbaone/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Just some observations, many post on the Internet from non-owners always mention scary cost, but posts by owners indicate it is nothing as catastrophic as claimed. Is the cost subjective based on an individual's finances?\n\nI've seen plenty of high-milage 750 cars, so this engine can't be the grenade many claim. These are like any high-end BMW in many cases? Just defer it's needs until they exceed the value of the car? \n\nStyling trends changed not long after this car was introduced be it for the better or worse. I think of the 850 like a Testarossa in the terms of right on time styling, but it is dated. No matter as it was good looking then and still is.\n\nThis model seems to be an exception, but 850s with 6spd seem on the way up if well cared for. Soon enough the automatic cars will be forgiven and rise too?", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1440633158, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885819, "authorName": "dbgaul", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbgaul/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "...........and speaking of motors, electrical not gas, how about the door handles used as switches to lower the door's windows?\n\nWay cool that the window actually is in the roof.......unless that motor or switch fails. \n\nGets interesting when the door doesn't open. Has that cool Kubrick \"Open The Door Hal\" effect for the uninitiated.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440633463, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885823, "authorName": "taylorpatterson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/taylorpatterson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@DBAOne - you hit the nail on the head. \"Just defer it\u2019s needs until they exceed the value of the car\" is where most complaints about the Eight Series come from, or non-owners who judge based on even less informed rumors...\n\nI've owned two of these and worked on many many more. I have seen in tip top shape, preserved and driven the way they were meant to be, and I've seen them, in terrible states of disrepair. And every Eight is beautiful. Us enthusiasts hate to see the broken down ones; it's a shot to the heart. But that is because once you own an Eight, and you become a part of the community that owns and supports the series... owning it becomes more than just having another car in your fleet. It becomes an experience, a comradery you just cannot find in the Porsche club, or the Viper club. \n\nThe car is special in many ways that other collector cars lack. The new owner of this Eight will find that out so long as he/she doesn't moth-ball it away in a dark garage, never to be seen again.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1440633862, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885828, "authorName": "DBAOne", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbaone/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I find the 8 special as well. Where my wife works, someone has a black on black 840. The car has no body damage, but it is clapped out. I just can't imagine how a car like this ends up in such shape.\n\nFrom what I've read, the 8 series has two of many things. Parts cost this and that, and hourly mechanical cost from shops and on and on. But you mentioned a way to save a lot of grief - owner community.\n\nWhat could happen to a car like this that someone else hasn't already experienced? Plenty of folks willing to help and guide new owners. Ownership won't be free, but it doesn't have to be bankrupting, either.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1440634781, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885839, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 39000, "content": "$39,000 bid placed by chetsstm3", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440636412, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885851, "authorName": "lilmans", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lilmans/", "bidAmount": 40000, "content": "$40,000 bid placed by lilmans", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440639058, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 885981, "authorName": "jim_rosenthal", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jim_rosenthal/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "... and climbing..... this would be the BMW to have, above all except an M1. if I had room for it....", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440683625, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 885984, "authorName": "Carrerachas", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/carrerachas/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "like the car but the 12cyl 850 maintenance/repair cost would worry me. sort of off topic on this car, but which is least costly to own from a maintenance/repair perspective.... an 840 or a same year/generation 928?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440684035, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886040, "authorName": "joecanada", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/joecanada/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@taylorpatterson - having owned a 1990 for 5 years I totally agree; the online community for this car is great and the car is relatively easy to work on even with all of the weird over engineered BMW tech. \n\nI did not find it to be a scary car to own in the least but don't buy it expecting a sports car this is a true GT and it will eat miles of highway all day long at an alarming rate. \n\nI sold mine last summer and A. the new owner got a hell of a deal and B. \n\nI should have kept it as it was at 90% of where it needed to be. Just heard from the new owner recently and he is loving it. The only drawback was that it was an automatic as a majority of them are but that can be corrected fairly easily. Of course mine was not the CSI so smaller displacement and less power but still a pretty cool car.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440689125, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886047, "authorName": "Boondocksaint", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/boondocksaint/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Carrerachas I would expect them to be on par for different reasons. The 928s had a few mechanical issues if memory serves, but nothing that can't be sorted. The 840s just have typical BMW maintenance needs. The 850 has a few more (50% more spark plugs, 100% more batteries and ECUs). I'm driving something more contemporary now, but the her has always lit my fire. One day...", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440689556, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886059, "authorName": "taylorpatterson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/taylorpatterson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@sccchiii - It's a bummer to hear the troubles you experienced but I dare say it sounds not common. If you're killing coils and starters regularly like that, you probably also had issues with the alternator or voltage regulator on the alternator. The mainline power cable to the alt can also experience insulation wear as it gets hot under that hood and I've seen that even cause more than one engine fire in the M/70 engines if not looked after. Driving these cars fairly regular is key to keeping them reliable in my experience because you're right; let them sit and they will punish you for it. Like keeping a lion in a cage.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440691227, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886399, "authorName": "Satch_Carlson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/satch_carlson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "\"...850s with 6spd seem on the way up if well cared for. Soon enough the automatic cars will be forgiven and rise too?\"\n\nUm, maybe not. When the 8 Series was introduced, Roundel's Bon Roemer wrote, \"If this is the jewel in the BMW crown, it's cubic zirconium.\" Remember, the Eight came along at the height of the E30 M3 glory; the M3 was all about handling. The Eight was all about... something. Maybe GT cruising, \u00e0 la Porsche 928. What it was not about was handling; it was heavy and ponderous.\n\nBut it looked damn good in front of the restaurant.\n\nThe 850Ci could be had with a six-speed, yes, but boulevard poseurs would prefer the automatique, oui? Drive an 850CiA today, and you will think, Really? This was BMW's halo car?\n\nThe solution was the 850CSi: too little, too late. Another solution was Stephen J. Dinan. Not content with making the Eight go around corners, Stevie D dropped a couple of turbochargers under the hood of the Dinan Supercoupe and rebuilt the automatic: Oh, my stars and garters!\n\nBy the way, the M8 prototype has appeared in public at least once. It appeared at the BMW CCA's Legends Of The Autobahn in Monterey\u2014which as far as I know has been its only appearance outside Munich. Most casual observers walked by without a second glance; I spent the afternoon nearly screaming at people: \"DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT?!\"\n\nThe 850CSi remains at the top of my list of Cars I Would Acquire Someday If I hadn't Already Bought My Last Car. And this one is especially tasty. I mean, it's Alpine White\u2014the perfect canvas for flames.\n\nGhost flames, of course. We are nothing if not subtle.", "likes": 23, "timestamp": 1440713275, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886409, "authorName": "DBAOne", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbaone/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "An auto box isn't a deal killer for me. A manual in a car I use on Saturday is fine, but I don't want another manual daily driver. There was a time I never would have written that or even thought it. I just don't care to work so hard in traffic.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440713934, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886412, "authorName": "barry8108", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/barry8108/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I have owned a 840 for 3 1/2 years and it is the best car i have ever owned. It has been a daily driver since i owned it. Very reliable and time less looks. I get asked about it almost every day. Do not listen to people who have never owned one. Have owned 32 BMW's and this is the best ever. Great forum and support for these cars. nothing special about them, no more complicated than any mid 90's 7 series. and they are fast once your going, triple digit speeds are nothing for these cars.", "likes": 10, "timestamp": 1440714107, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886428, "authorName": "Satch_Carlson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/satch_carlson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Make that Bob Roemer, not Bon. I caught it too late to edit. Idjit.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440715738, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886486, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 41000, "content": "$41,000 bid placed by chetsstm3", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440721221, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 886651, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 42000, "content": "$42,000 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440762919, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 886722, "authorName": "MDriver", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mdriver/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@John G...+1\n@Andrew G...M-Parallels trump Throwing Star hubcaps :-)\n@Doug NYC...the M8 was a joint venture between BMW & McLaren, thought I ran across a picture of it stuffed in a BMW garage in Germany along with other one-offs (E39 M5 Wagon). \nas far as the Csi here, I have seen it on several occasions (CCA gatherings) and it showed very nicely in person, the owner is a very nice fellow, and while I have never liked AW, I love CSi's in any color...even a Daytona Violet one I saw....these were iconic cars for BMW IMHO because they represented the carrying of the torch for a GT car, picked up where the Shark left off??? (no offense to Shark owners)..the E63 were awfully ugly in design, fast yes, but really ugly...\nWhile I never owned one, I believe that as long as they are properly maintained, and maybe even a little pro-active maintenance they will last you quite a while...\nI hope that car stays on the East Coast so I can continue to see it.\nGLWA...", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1440769411, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886773, "authorName": "jmzuccarelli", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jmzuccarelli/", "bidAmount": 43100, "content": "$43,100 bid placed by jmzuccarelli", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440773888, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 886852, "authorName": "dbgaul", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbgaul/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "..............\"Shark\" lovers were tough to convert since their body/window belt line design didn't transfer well to the chopped roof 8 series....and the result was that the pitchfork folks became VERY restless.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440778613, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 886874, "authorName": "lilmans", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lilmans/", "bidAmount": 44250, "content": "$44,250 bid placed by lilmans", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440781845, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887134, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 44750, "content": "$44,750 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440819171, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887161, "authorName": "jmzuccarelli", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jmzuccarelli/", "bidAmount": 45100, "content": "$45,100 bid placed by jmzuccarelli", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440827567, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887345, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 45350, "content": "$45,350 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440875453, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887369, "authorName": "jmzuccarelli", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jmzuccarelli/", "bidAmount": 48555, "content": "$48,555 bid placed by jmzuccarelli", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440879331, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887413, "authorName": "Duck360198", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/duck360198/", "bidAmount": 48805, "content": "$48,805 bid placed by Duck360198", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440897877, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887416, "authorName": "lilmans", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lilmans/", "bidAmount": 49500, "content": "$49,500 bid placed by lilmans", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440899838, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887420, "authorName": "Number_Six", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/number_six/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This appears to be one of the finest examples and the bidding reflects that. If this is a harbinger of future 850 prices then now is the to find one.", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440900552, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887453, "authorName": "jmzuccarelli", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jmzuccarelli/", "bidAmount": 50500, "content": "$50,500 bid placed by jmzuccarelli", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440921389, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887483, "authorName": "Mikie", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mikie/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Astounded by price for a white car. I still do not get the pedigree of \"m\" car status but I suppose stroked to 5.6, it doesn't make a difference. I also didn't know BMW has as many obsessive fans as Porsche. Good luck to you guys.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440941042, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887500, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 51250, "content": "$51,250 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440945012, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887502, "authorName": "sccchiii", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sccchiii/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@taylorpatterson The problems on my CSI weren't unique or one offs. The 8 series is one of my favorite grand tourers produced and it's a shame that they have many minor and major problems. My money says this car won't go 500 miles without something failing on car. There are many csi owners out there online that are enthusiastic about car but will share the realities with everyone. I am one of them but again aside from a few unique items to my car they all share common and unique failures. Again after owning one, if I had one now I would admire its exterior design in my garage only and wouldn't ever turn the key again....but of course to me that's not really what i want in a car, I can just enlarge and frame one of the old photos of my car and get the same pleasure for a lot less $$!?", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1440945393, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887550, "authorName": "Scott_S", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/scott_s/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Nice car and nice cars cost big money!\n\nWillhoit out of Missouri has stocked a few of these and it's Stuttgart rival the 928. He is always really proud of his pricing for cars that no other dealer wants!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440954701, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887573, "authorName": "Fursideup", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fursideup/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@sccchiii - Just how much money are you putting up to back that big mouth of yours?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1440962425, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887575, "authorName": "dbgaul", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbgaul/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hey Mikie................me, Satch and a few other BMW Idjit(s) are just as rabid as the P Boys .......... jeeze, Satch has two convertibles! Thars proof.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440963130, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887576, "authorName": "DBAOne", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbaone/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Is it Satch the writer and SAAB fan?", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440963281, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887577, "authorName": "dbgaul", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbgaul/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Only Satch's hair dresser knows for sure...........and Party A", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440963411, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887578, "authorName": "DBAOne", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbaone/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "!", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440963479, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887579, "authorName": "Fursideup", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fursideup/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Take a standard 850i - Add 4 electric 100 HP wheel motors - that makes a total of 700HP - without touching the transmission or the engine. It would be the ultimate hybrid -- Wroom wroom. (put the battery where the rear seats are - no one fits back there anyway).", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1440964093, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887617, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 53500, "content": "$53,500 bid placed by chetsstm3", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440977842, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887627, "authorName": "lilmans", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lilmans/", "bidAmount": 54250, "content": "$54,250 bid placed by lilmans", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1440981771, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887707, "authorName": "sccchiii", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sccchiii/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Fursideup big mouth uh? I already put the big money up on last csi I owned....I tapped out long ago but you seem to be a real genius!!! Sure lets add 600+ lbs of hybrid to the 8 series and it apparently will be your dream car????....because for the love of Pete it's not heavy enough as is? Thank god you weren't on original 8 series design team.....it would weigh more than 7k lbs with you at wheel. Keep up the good design work, maybe you can help the motorsports teams heavy up the race cars also!", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1441023844, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887732, "authorName": "Fursideup", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fursideup/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@sccchiii - If you tapped out long ago - what are you doing here? You are the one who tried to tell everybody that the 850 has so many minor and major issues that it should be parked and only looked at - that flies in the face of reality and only perpetuates the myth. If you cant keep your 8 running there is an issue with you - not the car. I run 850 cars everyday - no issues above what you expect from any vehicle built 25 years ago. As you can clearly see - TaylorPatterson also drives his without issues as do all the other 8 owners who drive their cars everyday. Why don't you let us know where your \"bad\" car is now and lets see if it still has \"many minor and major\" problems!\r\nAs for the creating a hybrid - go ahead knock it all you want.\r\nAs for the \"real genius\" insult - well I have 6 - 850 cars - they ALL run - you couldn't keep 1 running. More brain and less mouth and I bet it would run just fine.\r\n.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441028008, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887758, "authorName": "2doors", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2doors/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Not sure where the vitriol towards sccchiii comes from. The tone of a post is in the mind of the reader, and I thought he was just sharing his experience with the car (which he apparently loved apart from the problems he had). The beauty of BaT is that we get people sharing the good and the bad - there is no one answer, but there are data points.", "likes": 11, "timestamp": 1441033073, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887766, "authorName": "sccchiii", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/sccchiii/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@fursideup taylorpaterson's 8 series is well looked after and I'm sure very well sorted and I mean not to insult his beautiful car at all. However fursideup if you really have run so many 8 series maybe you should get out of the clouds and be real. I'm providing my experience (shared by more than a few 8 series owners) in ownership as a reference for those that might not know what your commiting to with e31 ownership. Certainly anyone who doesn't like the input can ignore my comments or chalk my experience to be very isolated but please go to any 8 series forum and those that do can make up there own mind....you will find the same inside every forum, extreme enthusiasm for the car which is very justified, and at same time many many posts on the known mechanical/electronic problems (apparently mr. Fursideup genius... I'm not the only one that had issues with my csi???) . Stuck throttle body motors, chronic leaks from engine, tranny from main seals, fuel related problems, alarm system from factory that has its own mind locking/unlocking doors randomly and without reason, leaking heater system inside car or HVAC control unit that behaves erratically , pentosin system problems, window issues, interior issues, etc etc. I have a large collection of cars that my team keeps running and yes we expect and get occasional issues with almost all. Taylorpaterson's CSI is bringing great money so my comments are just meant as a warning to those that dive into E31 ownership to have a large wallet and a lot of time on your hands to enjoy it. I apologize mr fursideup that you have more money than brains, but those that don't want to hear your noise can research independently and decide if I'm full of hot air or not. Until then I'll try to envision how much more reliable the car would have been with a hybrid system considering they couldn't get most of the basic electronics designed to last?", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1441035472, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887799, "authorName": "dbgaul", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbgaul/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": ".............there may be some folks here that think sccchiii and Fursideup should get a room and have it out....", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1441040685, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887802, "authorName": "normsled", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/normsled/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "54k?? Holy Schnikeys", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441041252, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887813, "authorName": "taylorpatterson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/taylorpatterson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@sccchiii - I too once pondered how cool it would be to make the 8 an electric car. Dreams of transferring the car's body straight to a Tesla (yes, I realize that's easier said than done :-) ) \n\nTo all, no doubt, there are some Eights that have seen bad conditions in their maintenance history and the subsequent owners often pay for it. That is why there is so much value in one that's got all the records demonstrating regular maintenance since birth. \n\nOne of the things I love about these cars is, even the most well sorted cars throw you a curve ball once in a while and you can find yourself digging into a failed fuel pump or FP fuse once in a while... the cool thing is that you're not alone. The E31 community all over the world, appreciates the good and the bad of these cars and that's what I believe swells the brother/sisterhood of ownership. The community in one way or another, is always there to lend a hand. Something I've not seen from any other car ownership.\n\nIn the end, the winner of this auction will find comfort in that we are here to help should he/she run across some weird problem nobody seems to have ever seen.\n\nCase in point, my CSi suffered from a strange problem where both throttle bodies kept spinning after engine shut down, which eventually killed both batteries. I found myself having to disconnect the batteries each time I parked it for fear of not being able to start it without a jump. Didn't happen all the time. Didn't matter if the engine was hot or cold. Was not helped with a throttle body rebuilds. I struggled to find the cause over many, many months... until I posted for some help on bimmerforums.\n\nSomeone out there suggested a minor, little known fix and included a link to some obscure service record from BMW which indicated that 'sometimes this happens' and BMW\u2019s fix was a kit of an additional fuse, and a few pig tail wires into the DMEs which trips the throttle bodies off if current flows after shut down.\n\n$40 kit from BMW, problem solved. How much value to the new owner do you think that represents? It's tons of little fixes like that here and there that all add up that speaks to the proper care and feeding of an Eight.\n\nSorry to rant on and on but my point is that each Eight is different, yet they're all the same and it's the community that, by in large, makes owning one such a pleasure.\n\nKeep those Eights on the road!", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1441042750, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887836, "authorName": "Max", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/max/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Note how bidding continues regardless of the comments below, I have a feeling that we are getting to the point where commenters are just rehashing old arguments best conducted on other forums. I'm sure all bidders get the point by now: 'you have been duly warned'.", "likes": 6, "timestamp": 1441044889, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887837, "authorName": "Beemer_Guy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/beemer_guy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Anyone worried about maintaining this old car (or any old car, really) should go check out the comments on the non-running Porsche 928 that sold here on BAT auctions recently. People have made nearly 700 comments trying to help the buyer get it running. That and Rennlist plus local experts will eventually solve the issue. There is also a huge BMW online presence, and I would not hesitate to jump into something like this 850. However - you will still need a sizeable wallet, for although you will get lots of help diagnosing and fixing and maintaining the car, there will be no avoiding the fact that you will, occasionally, have to buy parts. And they ain't cheap.\n\nBut hey, if you're spending 55 large on a 20 year-old car, odds are you can afford to maintain it. Best wishes to the buyer.", "likes": 9, "timestamp": 1441044984, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887844, "authorName": "Fursideup", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fursideup/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@sccchiii - Proof is always in the pudding - my cars run and I don't need a \"team\" to keep them that way.\r\nI also don't insult people because they choose to collect a certain vehicle or have ideas about what can be done to enhance the car.\r\nYou sound like you forgot to take your blood pressure meds - lets hope you don't blow a fuse and have to have your \"team\" wheelbarrow you off to the local clinic. Take a chill pill and have your \"team\" give you a massage - you'll feel much better soon and maybe you wont feel the need to spew all that negative energy all over the place. As you can see - I am not the only one who has thought about using electric power to propel an 8 series - when you sarcastically call me a \"genius\" you are also insulting everyone else who has an idea of adding electric motors and batteries - that would include TaylorPatterson.\r\nI don't expect you to apologize to me, but you certainly owe TaylorPatterson and apology - and it should be coming from you - not your \"team\"", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441046232, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887846, "authorName": "Fursideup", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fursideup/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@dbgaul - don't worry - I'm done with him.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1441046505, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887886, "authorName": "Dazed_and_Amused", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dazed_and_amused/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "http://bringatrailer.com/commenting-rules/", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441052427, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887892, "authorName": "dbgaul", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbgaul/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "............the BAT 928 post sale 700 thread flame throwers missed most of the rules D&A reminded everyone too..........it got so hot my uncooked popcorn popped just sitting next to the monitor......", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441053143, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887908, "authorName": "Fursideup", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/fursideup/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Back to the car-- whoever ends up with this gorgeous example will not only own a wonderful piece automotive engineering, but also a nice slice of automotive history. Good luck to all the bidders as well as the seller.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1441055183, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887916, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 55250, "content": "$55,250 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441057017, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 887928, "authorName": "samtimtom", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/samtimtom/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Summer is coming to a close and everyone seems a bit on edge. I love Alpine White. What a beautiful car. Good luck to the seller and eventual owner (be they of modest or large wallet, whatever the case may be).", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1441058248, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 887997, "authorName": "lilmans", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lilmans/", "bidAmount": 55750, "content": "$55,750 bid placed by lilmans", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441068394, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888007, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 56250, "content": "$56,250 bid placed by nomoclutch", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441069815, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888017, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 56750, "content": "$56,750 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441070868, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888023, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 57250, "content": "$57,250 bid placed by nomoclutch", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441071353, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888033, "authorName": "lilmans", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/lilmans/", "bidAmount": 57750, "content": "$57,750 bid placed by lilmans", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441072429, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888036, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 58250, "content": "$58,250 bid placed by nomoclutch", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441072624, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888038, "authorName": "annacrown", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/annacrown/", "bidAmount": 59000, "content": "$59,000 bid placed by annacrown", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441072759, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888042, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 60000, "content": "$60,000 bid placed by chetsstm3", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441073147, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888047, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 60500, "content": "$60,500 bid placed by nomoclutch", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441073427, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888077, "authorName": "larochest", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/larochest/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This is quite nice to watch... This car fully deserves it and I am sure the BMW 8 Series community is glad to see the car starting to be recognized for what it is. I am looking forward to see how high this one will go. Good luck to the bidders & Thanks BAT for another entertaining auction!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1441079203, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888085, "authorName": "Dazed_and_Amused", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dazed_and_amused/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@ BaT - Thank you. Moderation is the key.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1441081706, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888100, "authorName": "dbgaul", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbgaul/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "............60+ bones is the new \"Moderate\" (amazingly...white was so \"out\" for European buyers when this beauty was born)", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441086622, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888104, "authorName": "voiture", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/voiture/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "While I have always loved the 8 series -- and the CSI is the pinnacle -- for the money bid so far you could have the best 928GTS in the world. But oranges to apples, I guess. I'm actually glad the bidding has reached this level 'cause it means more 8 series will survive and (gasp!) even get restored some say. Good luck to bidders and seller.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1441088005, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888110, "authorName": "jim_rosenthal", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jim_rosenthal/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Fascinating!!! Place your bets. Mine is that it will hit a lot higher than this.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1441089109, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888126, "authorName": "Boondocksaint", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/boondocksaint/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@voiture Interesting point regarding restoration. How many people have sunk untold thousands trying to find every single piece of chrome trim from one of America's beautiful 50s luxury barges and then never made that back - and not cared? The complete restoration of some of the more modern classics will likely go the same route. Someone just loves the car. And in the end, it's his or her money and his or her passion that's important. These cars will be difficult to restore, in my opinion. Because electrics. Which is why getting one sorted in the first place is so attractive! Also, because Alpineweiss.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1441107697, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888192, "authorName": "supergrilldds", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/supergrilldds/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "What a fantastic car and I am already jealous of whoever will be the 3rd owner. Its one of the few late 80s early 90s designs that has aged well in my eyes. That being said, I had forgotten how bad they look from the front with the lights on. I still wish I could bid on it! Good luck with the sale!", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1441116507, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888222, "authorName": "Blackfin", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/blackfin/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I was hoping to be able to sneak a bid in at the end, but looks like it's already gone past my $60,000 budget, which I wholeheartedly expected it to do. I sold my 1988 M6 with 32,000 miles last month for little over $68,000 so is this really the beginning of the BMW bubble, or are iconic BMWs the new air cooled Porsches?", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1441120319, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888225, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 61000, "content": "$61,000 bid placed by chetsstm3", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441120369, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888274, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 61500, "content": "$61,500 bid placed by nomoclutch", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441125587, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888292, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 62250, "content": "$62,250 bid placed by chetsstm3", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441129532, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888297, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 62750, "content": "$62,750 bid placed by nomoclutch", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441130243, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888327, "authorName": "jmzuccarelli", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jmzuccarelli/", "bidAmount": 63589, "content": "$63,589 bid placed by jmzuccarelli", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441133709, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888341, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 64100, "content": "$64,100 bid placed by chetsstm3", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441134675, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888357, "authorName": "taylorpatterson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/taylorpatterson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Blackfin - just increase your budget. It's only money after all... What are you saving for? A golden golf cart? :-)", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1441135579, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888361, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 64600, "content": "$64,600 bid placed by nomoclutch", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441135949, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888367, "authorName": "jelmervdmeer", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jelmervdmeer/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "It's only money, you'll make more.", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1441136169, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888370, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 65600, "content": "$65,600 bid placed by chetsstm3", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441136269, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888378, "authorName": "rajn72", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rajn72/", "bidAmount": 66500, "content": "$66,500 bid placed by rajn72", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441136518, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888386, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 67000, "content": "$67,000 bid placed by chetsstm3", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441136788, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888388, "authorName": "rajn72", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rajn72/", "bidAmount": 67500, "content": "$67,500 bid placed by rajn72", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441136823, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888400, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 68000, "content": "$68,000 bid placed by nomoclutch", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441137530, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888402, "authorName": "rajn72", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/rajn72/", "bidAmount": 68500, "content": "$68,500 bid placed by rajn72", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441137580, "type": "bat-bid"}, {"id": 888405, "authorName": "taylorpatterson", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/taylorpatterson/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Nice...", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1441137790, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888406, "authorName": "Al_Durham", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/al_durham/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Sold on 9/1/15 for $68,500 to rajn72", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441137797, "type": "bat-bid-reserve"}, {"id": 888407, "authorName": "2doors", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2doors/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Congrats to rajn72. Sweet, sweet ride.", "likes": 5, "timestamp": 1441137874, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888410, "authorName": "nomoclutch", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/nomoclutch/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Congrats to rajn72 ... :-(", "likes": 7, "timestamp": 1441137959, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888411, "authorName": "dbgaul", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/dbgaul/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Big car ...... Big money ...... well done buyer and seller.", "likes": 8, "timestamp": 1441138088, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888417, "authorName": "chetsstm3", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/chetsstm3/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Great job rajn72, enjoy her in good health!", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1441138581, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888447, "authorName": "2002turbo (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2002turbo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Thank you all for participating in the auction and keeping it very exciting. I am sad to let the car go, but life goes on and I wish every single one of you all the best in your future endeavors.", "likes": 4, "timestamp": 1441139582, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888620, "authorName": "MDriver", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/mdriver/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Congratulations to both seller & buyer....really well bought & sold...\nI have a sinking feeling that this car is headed to the left coast???....\nIf so, oh well, it was nice while it lasted.....", "likes": 3, "timestamp": 1441155227, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888725, "authorName": "Ventus", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ventus/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Here is a red one for similar price, but a bit more miles, in Germany: http://ww3.autoscout24.de/classified/272410181?asrc=st|as", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441172971, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 888855, "authorName": "Eiremon", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/eiremon/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Hey 2002Turbo - when will you be selling the... um... 2002 Turbo? :)", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1441205966, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 889071, "authorName": "vvassallo", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/vvassallo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "I'd say well sold. In another year, well bought!", "likes": 2, "timestamp": 1441226167, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 889155, "authorName": "2002turbo (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2002turbo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Eirmon take a look.\r\nhttp://www.bmwmregistry.com/detail.php?id=9600", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1441233470, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 889173, "authorName": "2002turbo (The Seller)", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2002turbo/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Eiremon - take a look\r\nhttp://www.bmwmregistry.com/detail.php?id=9600", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1441236865, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1082256, "authorName": "Beemer_Guy", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/beemer_guy/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "If any prospective buyers subscribed to this auction are still interested, the auction buyer (Raj) lives in Texas and is now trying to sell this car on the BMW CCA website for $85K.", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1464275937, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1087161, "authorName": "2doors", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/2doors/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "@Beemer Guy: thanks...was just thinking about this car. Quite the bump!", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1464788961, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1087284, "authorName": "CTBeemerEnthusiast", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/ctbeemerenthusiast/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "Especially hard to justify that asking price in the face of the Memorial Day sale on eBay of a '94 CSi with 70,000 miles, extensive books and records, unmolested, with a clean CarFax, black on black, sold by its original owner-- a BMW collector-- for slightly over $40K. Surprisingly few bidders.", "likes": 1, "timestamp": 1464795493, "type": "comment"}, {"id": 1137077, "authorName": "Jbarbakow", "authorUrl": "https://bringatrailer.com/member/jbarbakow/", "bidAmount": 0, "content": "This car is back on the market for $85k", "likes": 0, "timestamp": 1468984669, "type": "comment"}]